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 Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: johnm214]
#15202333 - 10/09/11 07:21 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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John, I just happened to see your name on the main page as the last poster in this forum and I was shocked. You actually visit this forum? I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've visited any thread in here, much less posted in one.
Are you a sadist? 
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: ChuangTzu]
#15202370 - 10/09/11 07:34 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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lol, yeah, when I'm bored I poke around here at times.
I got interested in the forum back when some posters were talking about Aspartame and various pharmaceuticals I've looked into- claiming they were evil and yada yada.
Some of the topics are interesting to me, its just too bad the level of discussion is kinda crappy, lol
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: johnm214]  1
#15202560 - 10/09/11 08:18 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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Stop making personal insults directed towards fellow posters. Please read the rules and discontinue this behavior.
Further, stop objecting to moderator actions in this thread. As I have said, there are other places where this may be done, and it is irrelevant to this topic. Your ad hominem arguments are improper and piss people off. Please discuss the topic of the thread.
hahaha you actually made me spill my drink when I read this because I have totally proven your illogical use of this term and you keep repeating yourself - again circular reasoning.
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Such as what? If you challenge some claim then you need to specify what it is. I have no idea what you are talking about here.
Go over and read my post again, this response is simply idiotic, you have also taken the statement out of context.
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Where have I done this? Several arguments have been made against straw man positions that I don't recognize. Is this one of them?
I was referring to Prisoner#1 argument hence why I said
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For instance Prisoner#1 claims that most Zimbabweans would not only have an understanding of UFO's but also a belief in the phenomena, there for the conclusion is that these children were lying. Where is the evidence for your premise, how can you not provide any evidence for this premise and then swiftly conclude that this incident was a hoax?
Are you going to continue to troll this thread? I see you have now completely derailed the conversation with your other partner in crime.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst]
#15202983 - 10/09/11 09:37 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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markst said:
Now how does this relate to the UFO witnesses at Ariel School? Well let me explain:
The children would have been in direct contact with an extra terrestrial being
But keep in mind that this is an hallucination that has been translated from your mind.
so...
only certain kinds of people can see them?
they're just imagining things?
if it's a hallucination then sure it's not real
A hallucination, in broadest sense of the word, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst]
#15203012 - 10/09/11 09:42 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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markst said:
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For instance Prisoner#1 claims that most Zimbabweans would not only have an understanding of UFO's but also a belief in the phenomena,
can you link us to the post where I'm supposed to have made this claim?
Of fuck here we go again but anyway: Nearly every single one of your posts inferred this and if you were not inferring this, then what the fuck were you arguing about?
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but arent we referring to post colonial modern zimbabwe of 1994? surely
these children had heard of UFOs since there had already been several
other reports of UFOs in the region, exposure to tourists, some with those
sorts of beliefs as well as to many other whites living in the nation with
those beliefs in UFOs... it's like the 98% of the whites dont believe in
superstition, that leaves 2% that do
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you're the one claiming that none had any knowledge of UFOs, so I called
you on it, the burden of proof lies on you since it was your claim, I'm
merely entertaining the possiblity that many had knowledge of UFOs in
1994, after all, africa isnt just emerging from the stone age
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I have a very low tolerance for stupid bullshit
as I've stated... back up your claim... you're again twisting people's
words or just making shit up. it's all quoted right here
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15203118 - 10/09/11 10:05 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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markst said:
Now how does this relate to the UFO witnesses at Ariel School? Well let me explain:
The children would have been in direct contact with an extra terrestrial being
But keep in mind that this is an hallucination that has been translated from your mind.
so...
only certain kinds of people can see them?
they're just imagining things?
if it's a hallucination then sure it's not real
A hallucination, in broadest sense of the word, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination
Exactly! Well done you are beginning to understand, try to focus on this instead of your other tolling points that don't contribute towards the thread.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst]
#15203202 - 10/09/11 10:22 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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It is not wise to keep calling your mod a troll in his forum.
If you have a complaint, post it where it belongs but this is not the place.
It seems your definition of troll is "Someone who disagrees with you." So I doubt your complaint will have any effect... but again, if you have a problem with a member of the staff, file your complaint to the administration and keep it out of here. Otherwise, you are trolling.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15203807 - 10/10/11 02:27 AM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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markst said:
Now how does this relate to the UFO witnesses at Ariel School? Well let me explain:
The children would have been in direct contact with an extra terrestrial being
But keep in mind that this is an hallucination that has been translated from your mind.
so...
only certain kinds of people can see them?
they're just imagining things?
if it's a hallucination then sure it's not real
A hallucination, in broadest sense of the word, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination
how do YOU perceive 'objective' reality?
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#15204007 - 10/10/11 04:59 AM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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but arent we referring to post colonial modern zimbabwe of 1994? surely
these children had heard of UFOs since there had already been several
other reports of UFOs in the region, exposure to tourists, some with those
sorts of beliefs as well as to many other whites living in the nation with
those beliefs in UFOs... it's like the 98% of the whites dont believe in
superstition, that leaves 2% that do
Those reports of UFO sightings were made only a few days before the incident at Ariel school. Also the only people aware of those reports was the Ufologist Cynthia Hind, and she only became aware of that after the incident at Ariel school. This is all very clearly stated in the previous posts of mine as well as the videos I have posted. Next time you should actually do your own research of this matter, (I provided enough links for you) instead of making claims that you have not researched yet.
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you're the one claiming that none had any knowledge of UFOs, so I called
you on it, the burden of proof lies on you since it was your claim, I'm
merely entertaining the possiblity that many had knowledge of UFOs in
1994, after all, africa isnt just emerging from the stone age
I backed this up with the following link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_of_Zimbabwe#Television_and_radio
Keep in mind this is now the fourth time I have posted this.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: Cervantes]
#15204031 - 10/10/11 05:15 AM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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It seems your definition of troll is "Someone who disagrees with you." So I doubt your complaint will have any effect... but again, if you have a problem with a member of the staff, file your complaint to the administration and keep it out of here. Otherwise, you are trolling.
Now here is a perfect example of a straw man argument. I said numerously that I do not have a problem with Prisoner#1 being skeptical and disagreeing with me because of that, however his argument was fairly evident that he was using circular reasoning as well as ignoring the links that I posted to back up my claims, hence why I stated this:
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Now I ask, where are the true skeptics in this forum? The ones who do not troll by using circular reasoning? Prisoner#1 argument is fatal to this thread because his circular reasoning does not add anything new, it does not advance learning and it does not add knowledge. His reasoning goes no where and leads no where. This mod is not a true skeptic, he is a troll and I find it unbelievable that this troll has managed to penetrate this forum to the point where he has authority. I have done the best to make other members become aware of this.
As well as this:
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I beg for a fellow skeptic to help progress this thread. Looking through it I'm sure it will be incredibly frustrating for other rational readers to sift through Prisoner#1's tiresome argument.
Not only are you both using an irrational deductive argument but your also trying to fatally wound my thread by giving me ban warnings, intimidating other members, as well as using circular reasoning that do not contribute whatsoever to the thread.
Here is a video discussing the true concept of a straw man argument: So john214 should take note.
Notice how you set up a straw man for you to attack as well as deceiving other naive readers the true nature of my intent.
Edited by markst (10/10/11 05:44 AM)
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst] 1
#15237395 - 10/17/11 07:06 AM (7 months, 6 days ago) |
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When people resort to name calling, it's usually says more about them then those they try to ridicule.
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markst said:
This is where you have proved yourself to be extremely naive.
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Not even most Zimbabweans understand the state of affairs in Zimbabwe let alone some arrogant dude who lives his life on a message board in America.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: Poid]
#15239117 - 10/17/11 02:45 PM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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Swamp gas and weather balloons.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: Poid] 1
#15241930 - 10/18/11 05:01 AM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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Poid said:
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markst said:
When people resort to name calling, it's usually says more about them then those they try to ridicule.
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This is where you have proved yourself to be extremely naive.
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Not even most Zimbabweans understand the state of affairs in Zimbabwe let alone some arrogant dude who lives his life on a message board in America.
All those quotes were said within reason. Also you took my above statement out of context.
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As I already mentioned, I was speculating! I somehow have gathered that you are trolling as you are quick to dismiss both Jung and Mckenna by assuming that they are "wacko's" or "druggies". When people resort to name calling, it's usually says more about them then those they try to ridicule.
Pay attention next time. Ya know what, honestly, there are too many boring members in this forum to actually have a reasonable conversation with.
If I say "look, here is an extremely peculiar incident in a very remote area where kids have seen a UFO", and you say "the kids were lying and I refuse to understand any reasonable argument that says otherwise", what does that prove? The fact that these kids witnessed something out of the ordinary doesn't change whether you're willing to believe them or not. Likewise, if I say "imagine a UFO that is capable of extra dimensional travel", and you say "I refuse to imagine that because something of that nature can't exist", where have we gotten? Nowhere. But does refusing to discuss an idea mean the idea doesn't exist? Of course not! We can have a perfectly good discussion about dragons, which don't appear to exist in our world, because dragons are an idea which we are capable of describing and thinking about.
Most of the members in this forum are incapable of unwinding a thread. That is the whole point of a thread, to pull it so it can unravel itself, is it not? But if people refuse to discuss and instead battle with the OP until he is worn out, then what has anyone actually achieved? Sweet fuck all. If you refuse to accept the possibility, then why in the fuck waste your time in this thread, your mind is already set in stone, no one is going to change it no matter what you read. You see people like Prisoner#1 and johnm214 are your typical alpha males who are constantly trying to prove themselves to everyone else, when in actual fact they just come across as the biggest dickheads in the world, especially johnm214 - this guy probably hasn't been laid in his entire life. Until the mods here learn to control themselves, then this forum will be dead.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst]
#15242079 - 10/18/11 06:45 AM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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markst, you've been warned a number of times to stop making negative personal comments about fellow board members and to discuss the topic. Its hard to imagine your making any effort to follow the rules at this point. When you return to the forum, please follow the rules. If you want to bitch about other users you can try the off topic forum.
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"the kids were lying and I refuse to understand any reasonable argument that says otherwise"
Has anyone said that? Sounds like another straw man claim, once more. I imagine most reports of unidentified objects are in good faith, butt this doesn't provide much assurance that their conclusions as to the nature of these objects are accurate.
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We can have a perfectly good discussion about dragons, which don't appear to exist in our world, because dragons are an idea which we are capable of describing and thinking about.
Sure, but what does this have to do with anything? Nobody's claiming its inconceivable some kids didn't see a flying spaghetti monster or something, they're discussing whether that seems to have occured in this case.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: johnm214]
#15243837 - 10/18/11 04:12 PM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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while reading this thread i began to think of misuse of power and censorship.
then i began to think of this song by system of a down - mind
"freethinkers are dangerous"
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there's a beautiful sky tonight and
if you were by my side, then we could share it but you're gone
so come at me with your moon, and burn me in the stars
cause nothing matters anymore
if i could only see you now, for about an hour
maybe just a minute, just to ask
what he's got that i don't have?
is it his brown eyes?
i know blue eyes get boring but i'll wear dark glasses all the time and
hey if you want me to, i'll take a knife to my own bright eyes
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: desert father]
#15244442 - 10/18/11 06:54 PM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Seeing this thread just really turned me off to the shroomery. Man I hate to say that.
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: guitardude3]
#15245460 - 10/18/11 10:31 PM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst]
#15281006 - 10/26/11 12:06 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Hello
New on here so hello to everyone.
Saw this post and had to reply to it, don't know if I am doing this correctly? Appologies if I am not.
I am searching for information on something I saw years ago in Bradford, yorkshire and this story seems very simalar?. Back in 1979/80 I was 6 years old and stood outside my aunts house at Christmas, above the houses slowly moving (in a straight line) A craft which looked like a bubble (clear but visible) with a man sat crossed legged on top, I watched as the craft went past and away into the distance. I realise people think that sightings are dismisable but I know what I saw and too this day have never seen anything like it..Thought I would share this with the guy who kinda belived the ufo sighting. Tracey
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: redkarma]
#15281552 - 10/26/11 02:11 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Santa is not a UFO. As to why he was cross legged...? Perhaps a Jesus referance?
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Re: The most compelling UFO sighting in recorded history happened in Africa/Zimbabwe [Re: markst]
#15284406 - 10/27/11 12:52 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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thats cool!
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i love you !and look forward to shroomin wicha !
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