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 Kickle
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 Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? 
#15274215 - 10/25/11 01:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Many who want to protect the planet look to and admire the teachings of Natives and the harmony in which they lived with the natural world. The culture was tied to the land and the land to the beliefs. Change the land and you have changed the culture. And so a diverse number of cultures existed depending on what land supported the culture. This diversity kept things in check. One culture could not freely expand and take over because it quickly came into conflict with another culture. And so the growth of a population was kept in check. If the cultures blend, as began with the Iroquois Confederacy, suddenly the land area occupied expands. As the land area expands the population grows. As the population grows the number of resources consumed increases. As more resources are consumed, more land is sought to replenish the used resources. Conquests happen and if you look at Iroquois history they quickly took over a lot of land to fuel this growth. Mostly peacefully, encouraging anyone who wanted to join them, but stomping those who refused.
China went through this a bunch over the course of its history. Tribes became conquered under a dynasty, would expand and prosper for a while and then break apart again into smaller factions. These factions would eventually be conquered again under a new dynasty and population again would boom. The result of this on China's population can easily be seen. This is one large land mass, but what happens when this trend applies to the world? Is there any realistic way to stop population growth and subsequently environmental degradation and ecological disaster? Is it really a good idea to make a single unified culture on our planet? Are there consequences waiting? Will population grow even farther from such a move? Will the already scarce land become even scarcer? Will resources stretch even thinner? What benefit exists?
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Kickle
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 Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: Kickle]
#15274228 - 10/25/11 01:34 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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ps here's a graphical representation of China over the last 3000 years or so
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: Kickle]
#15274356 - 10/25/11 02:25 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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i think we are heading towards a global culture where some will be exploited and others will prosper... in fact that is what is already happening. the internet is further facilitating the already expansive trade routes and it won't be long until we have a truly global government and currency. this could be either good or bad for the environment.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: Kickle]
#15274909 - 10/25/11 08:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Whatever happens is fine by me.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: Icelander]
#15275690 - 10/25/11 12:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I think it depends a lot on what the culture would be.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: birdland]
#15275911 - 10/25/11 01:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I kind of wonder if this isn't a part of a larger system. I recall a physics talk that discussed complexity in the universe. As a system becomes more and more complex entropy becomes more and more likely. It's very difficult to maintain complexity and the greater the complexity the more likely a collapse is.
So I wonder if the world peaked in terms of biological diversity/complexity and now entropy is countering it out by eliminating and simplifying.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: Kickle]
#15277282 - 10/25/11 07:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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From an evolutionary standpoint, diversity is important. It may seem like we are headed towards one global culture, but I think there is still a tremendous amount of diversity.
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Kickle said:
entropy becomes more and more likely.
What do you mean by this? Entropy is a quantity, often equated to the amount of disorder of a system. All systems have some amount of entropy.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: BlindSoothsayer]
#15277348 - 10/25/11 07:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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this is what I was referencing. my terminology was likely whacked, I'm not a physicist and was pulling from old memories.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: Kickle]
#15277642 - 10/25/11 08:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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My idea would be a global Egalitarian community which is diverse in many respects, while holding true to a core set of values. It may sound paradoxical, but many of these values, such as withholding of judgement, almost seem like anti-values in the sense they don't impose anything on anyone else.
Perhaps a global community is a bad idea altogether, and people are better off focusing on their local communities, or moving to a local community which better represents their values.
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15278285 - 10/25/11 10:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the clarification Kickle. Even if we do end up with a single planetary culture (which I don't necessarily think is a good thing), it's not like we would all be part of a sort of hive mind. If for example you look at a single nation today, you may find a single culture, but diverse sub-groups (political parties, religions, artistic movements, etc.).
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: BlindSoothsayer]
#15281754 - 10/26/11 05:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I, for one, welcome our New World Order overlords. 
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Re: Is a single planetary culture a bad idea? [Re: deCypher]
#15281824 - 10/26/11 06:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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i think a united culture is a good idea, and that hopefully after the unification it would slowly diversify in a beautiful manner.
Right now the United States is in a very homogenized state and I hope more diversity develops in our lifetimes
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