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 JackofSpades
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 Ayahuasca and Spirituality 
#15270968 - 10/24/11 02:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I took Ayahausca for the first time in almost two years. This was the first time I did it with a shaman and other people...
Okay, so like how the fuck do I explain this? I guess everyone is a part of me and I am a part of everyone in the most literal of ways and this entire reality is nothing but a dream, like literally this is just a dream....a cosmic sort of dream I guess.
It seems like thought is what creates all illusion of reality. When you stop thinking the veil begins to part and its happening even more intensely after this ayahausca session
Still, its more complex than that because there is this body I'm inhabiting and I don't know what the hell to do with it after experiencing what I experienced and I know what I experienced, it wasn't just some drug bullshit, although at the time I wrote it off as such because its really quite frightening and how to do you function in reality when reality isn't real but everyone around you seems to be behaving as such.
MY question is: How do you integrate an experience that informs you reality is fake back into the matrix so to speak?
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  If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Edited by JackofSpades (10/24/11 02:54 PM)
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maybe focusing on loving each being, each aspect of yourself, would allow you to transcend the fear/anxiety that this realization has brought on?
even tho it's all an illusion, it can be a painful illusion - there's lots of need for love i think 
sounds like quite the experience tho 
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Re: Ayahuasca and Spirituality [Re: deff]
#15271035 - 10/24/11 02:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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deff said:
maybe focusing on loving each being, each aspect of yourself, would allow you to transcend the fear/anxiety that this realization has brought on?
even tho it's all an illusion, it can be a painful illusion - there's lots of need for love i think
sounds like quite the experience tho
I haven't fully learned how to do that yet, which is probably my challenge. Everything I do seems so out of balance despite my intentions or methods. I feel as if drastic action needs to be taken that I have faith in, meaning I don't want to just become a wandering mendicant because I don't have enough faith in that at the moment but something needs to be done where real change can be felt and experienced.
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If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Edited by JackofSpades (10/24/11 02:58 PM)
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from my experiences (not ayahuasca) i find it best to focus on the most intense part of the trip and take lessons from that
for me it was mushrooms and me believing that i had returned to the womb. it made me realize how much i loved my mother
i can't wait to take ayahuasca though
how do you compare the spiritual experiences you've had from ayahuasca to mushrooms?
if i were you i would learn from my experience to understand how to manipulate the matrix as much as i could in my own favor so that there is a mutual benefit for you and everyone you encounter
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JackofSpades said:
MY question is: How do you integrate an experience that informs you reality is fake back into the matrix so to speak?
It helps to realize that even your profound experience is just one tiny cog on a huge wheel that remains mostly unseen. You weren't really peaking behind the 'entire veil' - but rather given an opportunity to see one of the fractal patterns. It's sobering to try and consider what I don't know, rather than being side-tracked by what I believe I know.
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JackofSpades said:
Still, its more complex than that because there is this body I'm inhabiting and I don't know what the hell to do with it
MY question is: How do you integrate an experience that informs you reality is fake back into the matrix so to speak?
It's all a dream, and it's also entirely real. What do you do about? Don't take is so seriously, try and enjoy yourself.
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Re: Ayahuasca and Spirituality [Re: EAPoe]
#15272101 - 10/24/11 06:46 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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EAPoe said:
from my experiences (not ayahuasca) i find it best to focus on the most intense part of the trip and take lessons from that
for me it was mushrooms and me believing that i had returned to the womb. it made me realize how much i loved my mother
i can't wait to take ayahuasca though
how do you compare the spiritual experiences you've had from ayahuasca to mushrooms?
if i were you i would learn from my experience to understand how to manipulate the matrix as much as i could in my own favor so that there is a mutual benefit for you and everyone you encounter
Ayahausca is drastically more intense than mushrooms in every single way and its more a teacher than a high (not that mushrooms can't also be a teacher). It seems to have a purpose surrounding it and also seems to be integrally connected to each level of reality while I would say mushrooms only function with certain degrees...
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Re: Ayahuasca and Spirituality [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15272107 - 10/24/11 06:47 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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JackofSpades said:
Still, its more complex than that because there is this body I'm inhabiting and I don't know what the hell to do with it
MY question is: How do you integrate an experience that informs you reality is fake back into the matrix so to speak?
It's all a dream, and it's also entirely real. What do you do about? Don't take is so seriously, try and enjoy yourself.
I suppose its the bullshit and the suffering perpetuated by bullshit that I can't tolerate anymore and I realize that those two things are within me that I can't stand and because I can't stand them I can't enjoy myself and I find myself writing this response....
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What is in you that can't simply accept the suffering? Are you adding to your physical pain with a mental story?
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Re: Ayahuasca and Spirituality [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15272684 - 10/24/11 09:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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i love ayahuasca, I live on the Big Island of Hawaii where we grow and hold Fatio's to make the medicine, so ive been a part of 30 or so ceremonies... and a number of times by myself just drinking pretty strong medicine  .
Ayahuasca is definitely a different beast than mushrooms or cacti... I think it has alot to do with DMT and its relationship with the pineal gland. I guess mushrooms and cacti can indirectly stimulate the pineal but ayahuasca cuts straight to the chase.
For me, when I first drank ayahuasca, I did it in the presence of who I believe to be an Enlightened Guru from India (Sri Prem Babaji). Not only was that eye opening, to experience his presence and how it affected my ayahuasca journey, but the level of love and ecstasy and bliss that I felt... I wanted more... I wanted to feel that way all the time. This only hardened the search I was already on before taking the medicine.
I had a determination to find everlasting peace, and still do. What I found is the same recipe that all the old guys prescribe: meditation....how else would you start to dissect this sense of self and discover this as a dream if you dont inquire into the nature of things. Yogic practices also have something going for them.
Ayahuasca...mmm
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Re: Ayahuasca and Spirituality [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15273481 - 10/24/11 10:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said:
What is in you that can't simply accept the suffering? Are you adding to your physical pain with a mental story?
Fear. I mean look, I can pull my thoughts back and end the mental story but the feelings continue to exist and they continue to fuck with me on a very deep and disrupting level...The meditative work does diminish this problem to an extent but the matter of fact is that there are clogged energies within me that are very much painful, very much destructive, and very much fucking suck.
Say what you want about pulling back the mental story but you know that in order to function in this world you need to have a mental story, otherwise you would just be an animated corpse.
I'm complaining here but its just sort of like, when the fuck is this shit going to end 
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If you're frightened of dying and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.
Edited by JackofSpades (10/24/11 10:50 PM)
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