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 Lying On A Job Application 
#15255881 - 10/21/11 10:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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so i have no job experience.
all my job applications have nothing listed on the past experience section.
i know for sure this is why im not being hired.
these are small jobs. halloween store. movie theatre. coffee shops.
anyway, im thinking i should just create a solid lie about how much experience ive had.
would you do it?
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no. to be honest if you worked at any of those above listed jobs for a decent amount of time then you have good work history which helps a lot.
just gotta find someone who will let you put your foot in the door.
try grocery stores, they're usualy good ish jobs
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say you worked with your uncle in construction or his own personal business.. or just make up some construction job.. or say you ran your own lawn service.. I mean your talking about min wage jobs.. its not like they are really gonna care..
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koraks
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i know for sure this is why im not being hired.
How do you know that? What kind of jobs have you been applying for? Chances are you're doing something wrong elsewhere in your cv or application letter.
Oh yeah: don't lie. In the end, it almost never works out very well.
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 Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: koraks]
#15255924 - 10/21/11 10:49 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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In UK it is a criminal offense and you can be sent to jail for it since they changed the law in 1998 if i remember correctly, it is considered high level fraud and if your job has any responsibiulities attached like working with children or money then the prosecution can be very serious
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: GGTBod]
#15255935 - 10/21/11 10:52 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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just to prove i am not bullshitting you
An NHS worker was jailed this week for lying on her CV. But there's no need to stretch the truth when applying for jobs ............
NHS worker jailed for resume lies
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: GGTBod]
#15255961 - 10/21/11 10:59 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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just to prove i am not bullshitting you
An NHS worker was jailed this week for lying on her CV. But there's no need to stretch the truth when applying for jobs ............
NHS worker jailed for resume lies
That is understandable tho.. That is more of a high end job where ppl are at risk.. He is talking about taking tickets from ppl at the movies or making ppl a cup of coffee..
But each to their own
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: amenra]
#15255975 - 10/21/11 11:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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yeah that is what i said in my first post about if your job has any responsibilities attached, still think it is insane that woman went to jail, no previous convictions or any shit in her past, do not pass go, do not collect $200 - straight to jail bitch
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: GGTBod]
#15255993 - 10/21/11 11:08 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Well she was the first female to ever be convicted.. so she probably talked to officers or had a terrible lawyer 
As long as you do not say you have exp in the field you are trying to get a job in.. After they hire you they are never gonna ask you about your past exp again.. and if you screw up they are just gonna fire you..
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: amenra]
#15256004 - 10/21/11 11:12 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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That was how she got caught, she lied and got the job and it was because her performance was not up to the standards her cv stated which caused her superiors to investigate her resume.
The secret is clever wording and exagerating you real skills which is expected and allowed
For example of what i am saying
You worked at a shop on the checkout
your cv says
"Experienced in the front line of customer service in a high pressure environment"
These things are expected and encouraged
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Patlal
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sirbojangles said:
so i have no job experience.
all my job applications have nothing listed on the past experience section.
i know for sure this is why im not being hired.
these are small jobs. halloween store. movie theatre. coffee shops.
anyway, im thinking i should just create a solid lie about how much experience ive had.
would you do it?
Lie and lie some more. Nice guys finish last, its been proven many times. Life aint fair. Cheaters and liars get want they want in life.
Some people are so good that it they manage to get super high paying jobs with 0 experience. 250k+ a year jobs.
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: Patlal]
#15256087 - 10/21/11 11:44 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
Lie and lie some more. Nice guys finish last, its been proven many times. Life aint fair. Cheaters and liars get want they want in life.
Errr....I disagree. In my experience, nice guys may not make it into well-paid jobs that require a mildly to extremely immoral attitude, but then again, nice guys tend to be aware of the fact that that is not what they want in the first place...
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Some people are so good that it they manage to get super high paying jobs with 0 experience. 250k+ a year jobs.
So a good job to you is expressed in its salary? I hope you'll see the light one day...Sure, we all need money to live, but not everyone has his/her mind set on becoming filthy rich. Especially not the nice guys.
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: koraks]
#15256114 - 10/21/11 11:53 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I do it all the time nigga.
Well, not outright lie but I embellish.
Here's what you do: List a couple made-up mom and pop stores as experience. Say you were a cashier, stocker, sales, whatever applies to the position you're trying to get. Then explain that you have no contact info for these past employers because they've since shut down and you've lost contact. You could try listing stuff in other states.
Employers just want to believe you have experience, if you're applying at small retail chains I doubt they'll investigate any further than a quick explanation from you.
good luck broski 
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: koraks] 1
#15256205 - 10/21/11 12:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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koraks said:
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Patlal said:
Lie and lie some more. Nice guys finish last, its been proven many times. Life aint fair. Cheaters and liars get want they want in life.
Errr....I disagree. In my experience, nice guys may not make it into well-paid jobs that require a mildly to extremely immoral attitude, but then again, nice guys tend to be aware of the fact that that is not what they want in the first place...
You don't know who wants what in their lives. Nice or not, its their choice. Also, why do you link high paying with immoral? Thats losers talk son. No offense.
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Some people are so good that it they manage to get super high paying jobs with 0 experience. 250k+ a year jobs.
So a good job to you is expressed in its salary? I hope you'll see the light one day...Sure, we all need money to live, but not everyone has his/her mind set on becoming filthy rich. Especially not the nice guys.
Stop talking like your are the wisest person on earth. The 'light' is different for everyone.
I do agree a good job isn't all about the salary, its about whether you like it or not. But if you like it and it pays well, thats your 'light' right there
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: Patlal]
#15256233 - 10/21/11 12:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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koraks said:
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Patlal said:
Lie and lie some more. Nice guys finish last, its been proven many times. Life aint fair. Cheaters and liars get want they want in life.
Errr....I disagree. In my experience, nice guys may not make it into well-paid jobs that require a mildly to extremely immoral attitude, but then again, nice guys tend to be aware of the fact that that is not what they want in the first place...
You don't know who wants what in their lives. Nice or not, its their choice. Also, why do you link high paying with immoral? Thats losers talk son. No offense.
I don't place that link in a structural sense; I'm only pointing out that nice guys won't get those jobs that pay well because they require immoral behavior. Btw, I know of nice guys who have made it to well-paying jobs too, so your views are not only incorrect, they are also very limited. I think you have a very skewed and pessimistic perspective on reality.
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Some people are so good that it they manage to get super high paying jobs with 0 experience. 250k+ a year jobs.
So a good job to you is expressed in its salary? I hope you'll see the light one day...Sure, we all need money to live, but not everyone has his/her mind set on becoming filthy rich. Especially not the nice guys.
Stop talking like your are the wisest person on earth. The 'light' is different for everyone.
I do agree a good job isn't all about the salary, its about whether you like it or not. But if you like it and it pays well, thats your 'light' right there
Definitely, if you like a job AND it pays well, that's brilliant. But many high-paying jobs come with obligations that many of us would rather do without. For starts, I know for myself that I wouldn't want to work 80 hours to make those $250k; I'd rather work half of that and earn half of that.
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Stop talking like your are the wisest person on earth.
You first. Pot & kettle, get it?
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The Ecstatic said:
I do it all the time nigga.
Well, not outright lie but I embellish.
Here's what you do: List a couple made-up mom and pop stores as experience. Say you were a cashier, stocker, sales, whatever applies to the position you're trying to get. Then explain that you have no contact info for these past employers because they've since shut down and you've lost contact. You could try listing stuff in other states.
Employers just want to believe you have experience, if you're applying at small retail chains I doubt they'll investigate any further than a quick explanation from you.
good luck broski
So it's OK to commit a fraud that not only circumvents the employer requirements but also fucks a more qualified person out of a job they deserve. Why am I not surprised?
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: koraks]
#15256330 - 10/21/11 12:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'll start a new reply, cause the previous replies are quotes inside quotes Inception style, Xzibit would be proud.
So back from the top, what I meant be nice guys finish last in this context is that you need to exaggerate your previous work experiences cause plain honesty won't make you stick out of the pack. Especially nowadays where everybody is job hunting.
Also, I think we are saying the same thing in regards to high paying jobs don't always justify immorality. Same things, different words. (I think)
You have to admit that a lot of people try to make themselves feel better by saying things like "the rich are crooks, that's why they got so much cash". Implying they are poor because they are honest or whatever. Hence the loser talk quote.
There's one thing that annoys me though. "Obligations that many of us would rather do without" and "wouldn't want to work 80 hours to make 250k".
Most rich people work 40 hours a week like everybody and see these obligations as interesting challenges. They are just smarter. They make their money work for them instead of working for their money.
Anyways... I don't even know why I'm arguing with you, I get that way sometimes. I just want to win dammit! I'm sure you know the feeling.
Edited by Patlal (10/21/11 12:56 PM)
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: zappaisgod]
#15256335 - 10/21/11 12:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Ive lied on applications and my resume many times...
most my work history is made up, and my friends are my references 
(a 4 year gap in your work history from growing then going to jail. dont sound so good)
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: zappaisgod]
#15256345 - 10/21/11 12:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
I do it all the time nigga.
Well, not outright lie but I embellish.
Here's what you do: List a couple made-up mom and pop stores as experience. Say you were a cashier, stocker, sales, whatever applies to the position you're trying to get. Then explain that you have no contact info for these past employers because they've since shut down and you've lost contact. You could try listing stuff in other states.
Employers just want to believe you have experience, if you're applying at small retail chains I doubt they'll investigate any further than a quick explanation from you.
good luck broski
So it's OK to commit a fraud that not only circumvents the employer requirements but also fucks a more qualified person out of a job they deserve. Why am I not surprised?
And you have never told a lie 
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Re: Lying On A Job Application [Re: Patlal]
#15256388 - 10/21/11 01:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
So back from the top, what I meant be nice guys finish last in this context is that you need to exaggerate your previous work experiences cause plain honesty won't make you stick out of the pack. Especially nowadays where everybody is job hunting.
I agree - although I wouldn't call it exaggerating. There's a difference between exaggerating your accomplishments and wording them in such a way that they look particularly favorable. It's a thin line and a grey area, but I personally think the first thing is ethically not sound, while the second is.
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Also, I think we are saying the same thing in regards to high paying jobs don't always justify immorality. Same things, different words. (I think)
Yes, I agree, definitely.
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You have to admit that a lot of people try to make themselves feel better by saying things like "the rich are crooks, that's why they got so much cash". Implying they are poor because they are honest or whatever. Hence the loser talk quote.
I see what you mean, and I do think it happens a lot. It's a weak excuse, I'm with you there.
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There's one thing that annoys me though. "Obligations that many of us would rather do without" and "wouldn't want to work 80 hours to make 250k".
Most rich people work 40 hours a week like everybody and see these obligations as interesting challenges. They are just smarter. They make their money work for them instead of working for their money.
I disagree with you there. I've spent quite some time around highly paid executives over the past few years, and have come across a fair share of well-to-do entrepreneurs. Not a single one of them worked less than 50 hours. Not a single one! Nobody ever got rich by taking it easy, other than inheriting money or having people work for them and siphoning off the excess revenues. But even the latter type of 'getting rich the easy way' is usually accompanied by excessive working hours. Mind you: once they are rich, some people start taking it easy and they may still work a bit just to keep themselves occupied, but actually getting rich by working 40 hours/week...well, let me put it this way: I hope to come across a vacancy for a job like that in the next few weeks, because I'm gonna need it 
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Anyways... I don't even know why I'm arguing with you, I get that way sometimes. I just want to win dammit! I'm sure you know the feeling.
Same here
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