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 lipa
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 Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool  [Re: flameclown]
#15125587 - 09/24/11 01:48 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I like that. Especially if it had bar graphs and the ability to combine grows of the same strain right next to each other on one graph for comparison or averaging.
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loucal
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: lipa]
#15128295 - 09/24/11 06:15 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Flameclown, pm me if you want to talk shop.
Lipa, graphs are in the most recent version but I am hesitant to push the functionality to the server because the logging system is not finished yet, plus there isn't much data in there as of yet, I thought by now there would be but no worries, I'll be adding data myself very soon.
Flameclown are you using jQuery? I am using gruff right now for simple graph generation but I know there are a lot of JavaScript options too.
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flameclown
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: loucal]
#15128431 - 09/24/11 06:41 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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loucal: I would be glad to work on this with you.
The site I just put up uses jQuery, though I have used prototype in the past. I prefer jQuery because its more well established and the syntax for classes is more convenient.
As for the graphs, jQuery is where its it. The google plotting packaged your mentioned is great, though I have no experience with it. Gruff is great for rendering a single plot, but since its server side you are going to have some serious lag if you rely on it. You could try and cache the graphs as jpgs then render the jpg directly as opposed to generating a new one for every visitor, but I think you will find that javascript its a better approach overall.
It would be great if we could integrate the site in with the shroomery, possibly by rendering the complete grow logs in an inline iframe. We would probably have to talk with ythan (the webmaster here) to get approval first as a lot of spam sites use this technique, iframes are probably blocked by default.
I'll be out of town this coming week, but we should talk when I get back.
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Ythan
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: flameclown]
#15128529 - 09/24/11 07:02 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, we could also use some people with web development experience here on the Shroomery. If you know PHP, MySQL and jQuery, and maybe some Linux and Apache administration, you should send me a PM. We don't really pay that much given the job requirements, but it's not so low that it's totally insulting, and you can work from home in your free time and smoke pot in your pajamas...
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loucal
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: Ythan]
#15129035 - 09/24/11 09:16 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Ythan did you ever consider using ruby on rails for some stuff? You wouldn't necessarily have to change anything but I know personally I just don't like to use php, the structure that ruby on rails gives me is awesome, plus I just love writing in ruby. When I love the tools I'm using I am always willing to work for less. I guess the other devs following the thread will chime in with opinions. Anyway I would definitely like to talk regardless I have experience in a variety of unix and programming related tasks and I love to take on weird challenges if you have any that are yet unsolved.
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Ythan
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: loucal]
#15130102 - 09/25/11 02:02 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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RoR is definitely trendy at the moment, and for good reason, but I've never considered writing a significant part of the site in anything but PHP. It just seems like it would increase the complexity and maintenance burden without much appreciable benefit. If you like concise MVC-style coding, there are plenty of PHP frameworks which provide the same thing: CakePHP is basically a clone of Rails, and alternatives like CodeIgniter and Kohana are arguably even better if you value flexibility. But I guess what it probably comes down to is PHP is just what I'm comfortable and experienced with.
Our server isn't even configured to run RoR though so really, I'm looking for PHP developers due to ease and simplicity, not technical reasons.
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loucal
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: Ythan]
#15131021 - 09/25/11 10:17 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I hear you man, there are always good alternatives and keeping up on everything is a good idea regardless, but for example cakePHP I have used and absolutely hated. code igniter it's funny I totally thought was non free like $0 but without an open source license. I am wrong about that as it turns out, unless it was nonfree in the past, because a quick check of the website says it is OSS. I think probably because ruby is my favorite language to write in I favor it over everything else. If I was a python guy I would probably write in django as much as possible. I like that I can write the majority of my applications, online and otherwise in the same language.
To be honest I hate when ror is referred to as 'trendy' because I have been around since rails 1.2 was still 'edge' and I have seen it grow from a young but strong framework into a very mature ecosystem of tools in the most recent 3.1 release. I think rors popularity is more than just a trend. Very small teams can create full fledged Internet applications rapidly and I think you would be surprised at the 'appreciable benefit' as you put it. I know large websites have it a lot tougher which is why I aimed to be as small as possible with mycollaborate, but shroomery is more of just a huge database than a terribly complex interface. I think you could definitely swing it and see huge appreciable benefits in production time, programmer happiness, and much simpler testing. Rails makes it really easy to stand on the shoulders of giants by making it trivially simple to add code from others (github or rubygems), whereas in my experience the time I spend implementing other people's code in php is longer than the time it would take to write it myself in rails let alone add a single line to my Gemfile and run 'bundle install'. Anyway, I'm not trying to push anyone in any directions here and I have a lot on my plate so I was never suggesting you start using rails for my benefit but I think if you took a rainy day to check out rails 3.1 you might be really impressed.
Sorry for any typos the iPad keyboard is strange and breakfast is getting cold  I'll fix em later EDIT: haha nice, ipad made django = DNA go
Edited by loucal (09/25/11 10:09 PM)
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Ythan
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: loucal]
#15133015 - 09/25/11 05:59 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Nah man that was a really interesting and compelling post. To be honest it sounds like you're probably more knowledgeable than me in this domain. I've messed around with RoR a little in the past but it may be time to give it another shot. I should really take some time to get better acquainted with jQuery first though...
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nooneman
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: loucal]
#15133073 - 09/25/11 06:15 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly, I don't see the point of this new website. Why not just post your grow log on here like everyone else?
Edited by nooneman (09/25/11 06:16 PM)
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flameclown
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: nooneman]
#15133442 - 09/25/11 07:45 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
nooneman said:
Honestly, I don't see the point of this new website. Why not just post your grow log on here like everyone else?
To each their own. I was thinking of it as a way of getting your personal culture list digitised, as well as keep more accurate documentation on each grow. Ive traded a few prints in the forums, though not many. Of the five or so prints, Ive lost track of the source of nearly all of them. It wasn't intended on replacing what we have here, just a way of keeping organised.
For grow logs, it would also be nice to have an easily searchable index of growth parameters, possibly a calculator or two. From the sound of it shroom-jitsu already has something he (or she) uses personally. This would be aimed at making those tools available for the greater community. These features could be built into the shroomery, or as a supplementary tool which is integrated in. Its not an either or proposition.
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loucal
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: nooneman]
#15134108 - 09/25/11 10:03 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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The vast majority of grow logs here are cubie grows. I rarely ever enter that forum directly because I don't find much that interests me there. mycollaborate catrs to a different audience. Also, you may or may not have read the whole thread, but the grow logging portion I have been hacking together here and there over the past month is just a peice of the vision I have for it.
That said, I appreciate your opinion, and I will store it up with the rest of the people who said this was a pointless idea and respectfully continue with it anyway, as I hope you would do with your own passions. I do hope future criticisms in this thread will be more on the 'constructive' side, but hey, we're all free here; speak your mind!
Anyway, comparing what I am developing to a discussion forum is apples to oranges. I suppose part of it is that I have only released an early version of the program (I like to do updates to the server in chunks) and there is not a whole lot of functionality. My bad about that if anyone was hoping I would throw the whole thing up in less than a month, but I have other factors that contribute to that as well. Don't worry if you do indeed wish to use it, you wont have to be all that patient, its on the way.
Ythan, thanks for the vote of confidence! Let's touch base in the near future, I've been spread a little thin, but we obviously have interests in common so I'll throw you a PM in the next few days to touch base and introduce myself more or less.
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loucal
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: loucal]
#15135626 - 09/26/11 08:23 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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OK so this weekend was hectic for me so i must have skimmed through a few of the posts so I didn't notice a couple things I forgot to respond to.
flameclown, thanks for the s3 suggestion! I thought that would be an expensive option when I was starting up but it seems like they have a plan that is free for a year that could probably help us get up and running here. I will definitely look into that. I love paperclip  but then again I love pretty much every gem that works as advertised
Ythan, I just forgot to say jQuery rocks Definitely spend some time with it, I personally have just gotten acquainted with it this year, but it is much easier to use than javascript libs I have used in the past. I have a few good resources on it, so I'll throw them in that PM also.
Hope everyone is feelin good! Have a good day everyone.
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lipa
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Re: mycollaborate.me - New mushroom grow logging tool [Re: loucal]
#15165120 - 10/02/11 03:37 AM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Here is something I wrote with the Google charts API. Just playing around.
If you want to just see the page look here
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