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    #14994681 - 08/29/11 03:40 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Syrian unrest raises fears about chemical arsenal

A sudden collapse of the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could mean a breakdown in controls over the country’s weapons, U.S. officials and weapons experts said in interviews. But while Libya’s chemical arsenal consists of unwieldy canisters filled mostly with mustard gas, the World War I-era blistering agent, Syria possesses some of the deadliest chemicals ever to be weaponized, dispersed in thousands of artillery shells and warheads that are easy to transport.




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Syria’s preferred poison is not mustard gas but sarin, the nerve agent that killed 13 people and sickened about 1,000 during a terrorist attack on the Tokyo subway system in 1995. Sarin, which is lethal if inhaled even in minute quantities, can also be used to contaminate water and food supplies.




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Syria first developed chemical weapons in the 1970s and slowly amassed a sophisticated arsenal under the close supervision of then-President Hafez al-Assad and, later, his son Bashar, the current president. Using technology obtained in part from Russian scientists, the Assads sought to create a strategic deterrent against Israel, its vastly more powerful southern neighbor, whose forces humiliated Syrian troops in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war and captured the strategic Syrian plateau known as the Golan Heights.




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The CIA has concluded that Syria possesses a large stockpile of sarin-based warheads and was working on developing VX, a deadlier nerve agent that resists breaking down in the environment.

By early in the last decade, some weapons experts ranked Syria’s chemical stockpile as probably the largest in the world, consisting of tens of tons of highly lethal chemical agents and hundreds of Scud missiles as well as lesser rockets, artillery rockets and bomblets for delivering the poisons.




Interesting, especially when thinking of those who dismiss the actions in Libya because look, there's Syria over there, much worse, but we leave them alone. Ahh shucks, what gives? :lol:

Not everyone in this world plays nice. :shrug:


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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14994693 - 08/29/11 03:47 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Does Syria have as much oil as Libya?


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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14994702 - 08/29/11 03:52 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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By early in the last decade, some weapons experts ranked Syria’s chemical stockpile as probably the largest in the world, consisting of tens of tons of highly lethal chemical agents and hundreds of Scud missiles as well as lesser rockets, artillery rockets and bomblets for delivering the poisons.




ah gimme a break. I'm convinced that the united states possess the most deadliest and the biggest  chemichal stockpile.Just look at the millitary budget; it's THE biggest one. Even compared to all the others combined, it doesnt match the one of the usa's army.Syria ? c'mon, it's the same propaganda thats been polluting our brains since the ''Irak has weapons of mass destruction'' episode. I'm convinced that NATO is the real threat to the world. but that's just me :shrug:


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Re: Syria [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14994838 - 08/29/11 05:17 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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laughingcow said:
Does Syria have as much oil as Libya?




Is it in any way relevant? Doesn't seem like it.


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ah gimme a break. I'm convinced that the united states possess the most deadliest and the biggest  chemichal stockpile.Just look at the millitary budget; it's THE biggest one.





This also seems entirely irrelevant. Ok, we've established that the United States has the largest military budget of the world, and this might include the largest and deadliest chemical stockpile.

If you read the article, you would see that the concern being expressed in regards to this stockpile is that, in the event that the government of Syria collapses, there exists a very real risk of parts of a very significant, deadly, chemical stockpile becoming unaccounted for. Then one considers the motivations why this stockpile exists in the first place, leverage over Israel, and then one remembers how much conflict there is there and how many actors there are in Syria that would be glad to utilize those weapons. Not on the scale of "who's got the biggest army", but rather "individuals who would already be fine with dying in order to hurt and kill others".
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c'mon, it's the same propaganda thats been polluting our brains since the ''Irak has weapons of mass destruction'' episode.




I don't see in any way how Iraq and Syria are related in this sense. My impression is that this view was being offered as an explanation as to why the Obama administration, and other Western counterparts, are quite hesitant to interfere with Syria's approach to quashing dissent.
I think the words strategic interest come to mind.


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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14997882 - 08/29/11 07:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

The relationship might actually be that Syria is where much of the Iraq chemical stockpile went.


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Re: Syria [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15001513 - 08/30/11 02:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I wonder if Obama will bother to get congressional approval this time or if we'll just start bombing them out of nowhere like Libya.


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Re: Syria [Re: medialies]
    #15002469 - 08/30/11 05:35 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I wonder if Obama will bother to get congressional approval this time or if we'll just start bombing them out of nowhere like Libya.




Why do you think Syria is going to be bombed by the United States?


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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15002682 - 08/30/11 06:22 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

After Libya, Syria is Next in Line for a NATO Sponsored "Regime Change"


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No one can deny the strategic importance of Syria on the grand chessboard. It’s bordering neighbors include no less than Israel, Turkey, Lebanon and most importantly now, Iraq. It is also a natural political ally of Iran and aligned firmly with the region’s last remaining independent militia, Hezbollah. To bring Syria under the globalist umbrella would be a key jewel on the globalist crown in their effort to control the entire Middle East and Central Asian region. In addition, Syria is one the region’s most economically independent sovereign states and possesses an incredible basket of natural resources. For all these reasons, Syria is a very high priority for globalist economic privatisation and dismantling of the state that is currently in place.




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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15003971 - 08/30/11 11:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I wonder if Obama will bother to get congressional approval this time or if we'll just start bombing them out of nowhere like Libya.




Why do you think Syria is going to be bombed by the United States?




1. We have already imposed sanctions on Syria (like Libya)
2. We have already officially called for the resignation of Bashar al-Assad (who will not step down, like Libya)
3. We have a President who has no knowledge of the Constitution, particularly Article 1 Section 8 and wages war without the proper authority
4. Syria's main export is crude oil


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Re: Syria [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #15004918 - 08/31/11 04:18 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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After Libya, Syria is Next in Line for a NATO Sponsored "Regime Change"


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No one can deny the strategic importance of Syria on the grand chessboard. It’s bordering neighbors include no less than Israel, Turkey, Lebanon and most importantly now, Iraq. It is also a natural political ally of Iran and aligned firmly with the region’s last remaining independent militia, Hezbollah. To bring Syria under the globalist umbrella would be a key jewel on the globalist crown in their effort to control the entire Middle East and Central Asian region. In addition, Syria is one the region’s most economically independent sovereign states and possesses an incredible basket of natural resources. For all these reasons, Syria is a very high priority for globalist economic privatisation and dismantling of the state that is currently in place.







Oh, in that case, I sincerely hope that the United States strategically intervenes in the country. I mean, with all kinds of crazy stealth special ops type stuff. And, of course, a fleet of unmanned bombers. All kinds of pro-democracy propaganda. Syria would have a lot of economic incentive to follow the direction of neighboring Turkey, considering what was mentioned in your quote. When one reads that quote, one realizes that Syria would be akin to the queen on that grand chessboard they mention. :wink:

Democracy is something that has resistance in it in countries like these, because such a constraining authority presence in those societies has it's own interests in being corrupt. Stepping in to weaken that resistance is just helpful energy, really. No one in Western civilization would want to live under governments such as those. :lol:


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Re: Syria [Re: medialies]
    #15007468 - 08/31/11 05:50 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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medialies said:
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medialies said:
I wonder if Obama will bother to get congressional approval this time or if we'll just start bombing them out of nowhere like Libya.




Why do you think Syria is going to be bombed by the United States?




1. We have already imposed sanctions on Syria (like Libya)
2. We have already officially called for the resignation of Bashar al-Assad (who will not step down, like Libya)
3. We have a President who has no knowledge of the Constitution, particularly Article 1 Section 8 and wages war without the proper authority
4. Syria's main export is crude oil






i would say in reply to #3.  He is actually a constitutional scholar, so he knows the constitution very well, he knows what he is doing, he knows he is breaking the law, he just tries to justify it as best he can, its ridiculous.


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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15007557 - 08/31/11 06:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I wonder if Obama will bother to get congressional approval this time or if we'll just start bombing them out of nowhere like Libya.




Why do you think Syria is going to be bombed by the United States?



Personally, if NATO gets involved in a war and we agree to aid NATO, I would consider the bombings a shared responsibility, considering that we are apart of NATO. :shrug:


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Re: Syria [Re: Mind Transcribing] * 1
    #15010431 - 09/01/11 05:16 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

yeah if you watch TV all they talk about is how horrible Syria is being to their people, they are trying to get the American people to hate Syria so we don't complain when they start killing innocent families and children and whatnot by dropping 2 ton bombs on their houses "accidentally."  Just look at how they are programming everyone.  Invading Iraq was easy to get people to get behind because Saddam had been the "bad guy" for the previous ten years.  Then it was Osama BL the next ten years.  Now it will be someone else.  seems every 10 years or so now they are switching up the "bad guys."


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Re: Syria [Re: jakenichols]
    #15010687 - 09/01/11 08:47 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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yeah if you watch TV all they talk about is how horrible Syria is being to their people, they are trying to get the American people to hate Syria so we don't complain when they start killing innocent families and children and whatnot by dropping 2 ton bombs on their houses "accidentally."  Just look at how they are programming everyone.  Invading Iraq was easy to get people to get behind because Saddam had been the "bad guy" for the previous ten years.  Then it was Osama BL the next ten years.  Now it will be someone else.  seems every 10 years or so now they are switching up the "bad guys."




:rofl2:

The reason all they talk about is Syria's government being brutal with it's citizens is because IT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

Wake up, man, the real world's calling.

The stuff about bombs and no one complaining and "accidentally" was just gibberish.


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Re: Syria [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15010742 - 09/01/11 09:26 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I swear, the new people here get more and more rediculous by the day.


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Re: Syria [Re: meams]
    #15010758 - 09/01/11 09:35 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

> I swear, the new people here get more and more rediculous by the day.

Nah, you just get wiser with age.


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Re: Syria [Re: Seuss]
    #15036277 - 09/06/11 05:02 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

or possibly more out of touch.


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    #15037042 - 09/06/11 10:56 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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