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 guba
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 Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold? 
#14871651 - 08/04/11 12:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hi,
I just prepared some straw for my first straw attempt and was ready to put three jars of colonized wheat in it. The jars took 13 days to fully colonize and were looking perfectly healthy. Flufy brilliant white. No visual sign anything but white mycelium. I banged the jars against my bike tire so the mycelium was brushed off the surface of the grains. When I opened the jars and started spilling them on the straw I noticed there is blue-green mold inside the grains. The grains were all heavy boiled and busted (not dripping or sticking though, but the most they can take). And there were blue-green mold where the grains busted, but it was all under the mycelium and thus was not noticeable. I forgot to smell the jars at first but when I saw this I smelled them and they have the nice mycelium mushroom smell but in the same time they have this blue cheese like smell. You know that so called blue cheese that some people eat? It is basically some normal cheese that have blueish-greenish mold grown on it on purpose. I finished the straw basket and it is sitting on my balcony now to drain the excess water out of it. I don't want to get it inside, but I'm considering since the mycelium survived 13 days inside the jars and there was no visual sign of the mold overrunning the mycelium, maybe if the mycelium continues to grow the same way and not let the mold spread, maybe I can get some healthy fruits?
Thanks.
Edit: to clarify further I should say I had trichoderma or something like that on my brf cakes before and it was overtaking the mycelium in no time, making it all green. This is clearly not the case here, so it must be something not so aggressive I guess.
Edited by guba (08/04/11 12:58 PM)
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audiophoenix
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Re: Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold? [Re: guba]
#14871680 - 08/04/11 12:55 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Best case scenario you waist a lot of time and your entire project becomes contaminated, worst case, it's some dangerous mold, and you end up growing mushrooms which contain it (contaminations can spread through mycelium). There is not a good chance that you will grow fine if there is visible mold or bacteria. Just because your mycelium grew around the mold does not mean it overtook it.
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solumvita
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Re: Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold? [Re: audiophoenix]
#14875801 - 08/05/11 09:38 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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sounds like Penicillum or some such species, but there is no point in throwing good substrate after bad spawn, so toss the wheat and start over.
Give us pics as well.
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guba
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Re: Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold? [Re: solumvita]
#14876017 - 08/05/11 11:12 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. I don't have a camera ATM, I would happily share pics otherwise 
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guba
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Re: Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold? [Re: guba]
#14950508 - 08/20/11 02:42 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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FYI the answer to the original question "Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold?" is "Yes". I confirmed it with three batches of jars - the first one from the original post - all grains had mold on them and distinct blue cheese smell. Now the straw is healthy colonized, no sign of mold. No pins though, I don't know why. Second batch of jars had many mold grains, not so many to smell it with my untrained nose, mixed with a little coir and cased - I have pins on all sides and small mushies are growing on the top. Third batch of jars had some mold grains, no smell, cased directly - pinining now and have small mushies growing. I'm tossing my mushrooms now, so I won't be able to see the full grown mushrooms in these cases. Also I though if what I thought was mold wasn't in fact brusing of the mycelium when I shaked the grain jars. In the original post there was very distinct smell so it wasn't. In the other two cases I didn't notice any peniciline smell but the color was greener where bruising of my mushrooms is blueish. I'm sorry I couldn't show pictures.
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guba
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Re: Can mycelium outperform blue cheese like mold? [Re: guba]
#14950521 - 08/20/11 02:44 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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P.S. I also don't know what specie of mushrooms I have. It is a blue bruising brown cap tropical mushroom.
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