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 Spawn to Substrate Calculations... 
#14863095 - 08/02/11 07:36 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Just need a little help double checking my math (kinda suck with #'s).
If I were wanting to make a bulk substrate with 7 cups of spawn using a 1:3 ratio 21 cups of total substrate (verm/coir/spawn) would be correct?
Also, if one had a 5.7 quart container to dump the bulk sub into would that be an o.k sub depth (seeing as how 5.7 quarts is 22.8 cups and my total bulk sub being 21 cups would bring my sub depth to around just under 4 inches).
would you load all of the bulk substrate into one shoebox with an overall depth of 3.9 inches or just split the difference between two for a 1.9 depth?
hahaha....i know, i'm making this waaaaaaaay harder than it has to be  this is my friends first time working with bulk substrates and he is looking to does as much as possible to make this grow a success.
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14863103 - 08/02/11 07:38 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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are you making trays for a greenhouse or tub-style?
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: dmonkey1]
#14863115 - 08/02/11 07:40 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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mono tub.
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14863143 - 08/02/11 07:44 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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why are you measuring your coir/verm in cups? the coir you want comes in bricks.
so 1 brick + 2 quarts course/medium verm + 1-2 cups gypsum + 4 quarts boiling water is a good substrate.
Then I use at least 5 quarts jars (3/4 full) of spawn
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: dmonkey1]
#14863149 - 08/02/11 07:45 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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oh. 5.7 quart container? that's way small. you will need a dub-tub setup if you decided to go that route
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: dmonkey1]
#14863231 - 08/02/11 07:58 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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dmonkey1 said:
why are you measuring your coir/verm in cups? the coir you want comes in bricks.
so 1 brick + 2 quarts course/medium verm + 1-2 cups gypsum + 4 quarts boiling water is a good substrate.
Then I use at least 5 quarts jars (3/4 full) of spawn
pint jars filled a little less than 3/4ths full (WBS) are being used for colonization (hence the 7 cup total). i figured it would be easier to convert all measurements into cups (the brick of coir makes 7-8 liters of sub. i was assuming he'd just break off the appropriate amount of coir to suit his needs).
please explain to me what you mean by the "dub-tub setup". do you mean after the bulk sub is fully colonized i have to move the shoebox into a larger fruiting chamber (like a monotub?)?
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14863260 - 08/02/11 08:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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you will need a bit of volume of air above the substrate, so if you are using those small containers there will be limited volume above. dubtub is just two tubs one on top of another with the same holes.
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: dmonkey1]
#14863269 - 08/02/11 08:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: dmonkey1]
#14863438 - 08/02/11 08:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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To answer your question about ratio: If your total bulk substrate, including spawn, will be 21 cups; and you are using 7 cups of spawn; that is a 1:2 ratio  Which is a great ratio 
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14863487 - 08/02/11 08:50 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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1:3 ratio 
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: dmonkey1]
#14863740 - 08/02/11 09:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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dmonkey1 said:
here's a picture
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11003023#11003023
i gotcha. thanks for the link. was planning on moving the shoe boxes into a much larger fruiting chamber when the time came (basically just using the shoe boxes for colonizing the bulk sub).
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Edited by gerryjarcia (08/02/11 09:44 PM)
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14863936 - 08/02/11 10:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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HorizonSpawn said:
To answer your question about ratio: If your total bulk substrate, including spawn, will be 21 cups; and you are using 7 cups of spawn; that is a 1:2 ratio Which is a great ratio
right on, thanks for the clarification. think he'll go with a 1:2 ration due to the lower potential for contams getting a foothold. still trying to work out all the "ratio" terminology. just read through some pretty funny threads about how people define "ratios".
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14864658 - 08/03/11 12:24 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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No problem As it is not common in everyday life for most people; it is often misunderstood... Though tangible, fractions and ratios are different... A simple example: if you have three pies; apple, cherry and raspberry; each pie is 1/3 of the total. Their ratio is 1:1:1. They each equally share the same ratio of the total...
It can often get confusing; because we are often working with set figures, combining those with percentages/ratios of additives, etc...
An example: a brick of coconut coir expands to a volume of about nine quarts when four quarts of water have been added. Consequently; that would be a ratio of 5:4, coir to water... Let's say we add three quarts of vermiculite. Now we have a total of 12 quarts with a ratio of 5:3:4, coir to verm to water. We will now simplify this to 12 quarts of bulk substrate... Adding 12 quarts of spawn (which in reality are not a full quart, but we will just pretend they are for now) to your 12 quarts of substrate for a total of 24 quarts, would create a ratio of 12:12, which can be simplified as 1:1... If we added eight quarts of spawn to your 12 quarts of substrate for a total of 20 quarts, we have a ratio of 8:12 or simplified as 2:3... If only adding 6 quarts for a total of 18 quarts, 6:12 or 1:2... If only 4 quarts are added, for a total of 16; 4:12 or 1:3...
In your case; the fixed number, is your total volume: approximately 5 quarts (20 cups)... Let us figure out a 1:3 ratio, one part spawn and three parts substrate, which equals four parts. Divide your total of 20 cups by four parts: five cups per part. Now multiply your parts by five, which is a 5:15 ratio or five cups spawn to fifteen cups substrate.
These are just examples
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#14865891 - 08/03/11 07:25 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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HorizonSpawn said:
No problem As it is not common in everyday life for most people; it is often misunderstood... Though tangible, fractions and ratios are different... A simple example: if you have three pies; apple, cherry and raspberry; each pie is 1/3 of the total. Their ratio is 1:1:1. They each equally share the same ratio of the total...
It can often get confusing; because we are often working with set figures, combining those with percentages/ratios of additives, etc...
An example: a brick of coconut coir expands to a volume of about nine quarts when four quarts of water have been added. Consequently; that would be a ratio of 5:4, coir to water... Let's say we add three quarts of vermiculite. Now we have a total of 12 quarts with a ratio of 5:3:4, coir to verm to water. We will now simplify this to 12 quarts of bulk substrate... Adding 12 quarts of spawn (which in reality are not a full quart, but we will just pretend they are for now) to your 12 quarts of substrate for a total of 24 quarts, would create a ratio of 12:12, which can be simplified as 1:1... If we added eight quarts of spawn to your 12 quarts of substrate for a total of 20 quarts, we have a ratio of 8:12 or simplified as 2:3... If only adding 6 quarts for a total of 18 quarts, 6:12 or 1:2... If only 4 quarts are added, for a total of 16; 4:12 or 1:3...
In your case; the fixed number, is your total volume: approximately 5 quarts (20 cups)... Let us figure out a 1:3 ratio, one part spawn and three parts substrate, which equals four parts. Divide your total of 20 cups by four parts: five cups per part. Now multiply your parts by five, which is a 5:15 ratio or five cups spawn to fifteen cups substrate.
These are just examples
damn, that was an awesome response  are you a teacher or something? 
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Re: Spawn to Substrate Calculations... [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14866171 - 08/03/11 09:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Glad you appreciate my efforts It is quite tedious to type on this lil phone
No; I'm not a teacher; nor do I play one on TV Though; many many moons ago, I was a tutor.
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