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 BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour 
#14827971 - 07/26/11 05:07 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I decided to do some cakes even though I havent done any in about 3 years. I went to my neighbourly bulk barn to get some BRF and to my dismay they didnt have any I was looking in the flour section and seen this. I thought  ill give it a try not thinking anything besides using it as a substitute for BRF. I put off making cakes for some time just because I wanted to do shit right after not having done any cakes in several years.
I went out and bought jars and bought some BRF at the same time. I figured I bought the 12 grain so I may as well use it. I made 7 cakes with BRF and 5 cakes with the 12 grain flour. As per RR's cake tek. The only thing different that I did was add 1 tablespoon of gypsum per 5 cakes. For the 12 grain cakes I used the standard 2:1:1 formula using 2 cups of verm 1 cup of 12 grain flour and 1 cup of water. For the 12 grain cakes this only made up 4 jars compared to 5 that would have been made if I had used BRF. The 12 grain cakes were denser and didnt fill the jars like the BRF cakes did. I had air pockets in the cakes due to the density of the sub. No matter I filled up the cakes and pc'd for 1.25 hours.
One of the BRF cakes seemed off when I removed it from the PC it seemed like moisture got into it somehow and there is a ring of extra moisture in it. I have no clue what happened but it is what it is.
I inoculated the BRF cakes first on the 23rd of july 2011. I waited til the 24th to inoculate the 12 grain cakes. All 12 jars were inoculated with the same redboy syringe that has a shit load of spores germinating in the syringe.
This is what the most advanced jars of both the BRF and the 12 grain flour look like 2-3 days later 
The jar on the left is the 12 grain. The jar on the right is the BRF. The BRF jar is much more advanced than the 12 grain but thats the only brf cake that is that colonized most are much smaller than all the 12 grain jars.
This is what most of the jars look like. 12 grain on the left BRF on the right. I dont think you can even see the mycellium in the pics of the BRF cakes but it is there.
The mycellium of the 12 grain cakes is much whiter and denser than the BRF
Im not trying to say that 12 grain flour is better than BRF im just trying to show that you dont necessarily need BRF
BRF 1 week after inoculation
Well the BRF isnt doing too bad. I havent done cakes in years but the jar in the middle top seems incredibly fast. Its gotta be 50% colonized already. Most jars are probably 15-20% at this point. Ill update the 12 grain jars tomorrow which will make it 1 week for those jars.
None of them are no where near the front runner of the BRF
12 Grain 1 week after inoculation
Steve French guarding the jars
Most seem about the same or less than most of the BRF.
The curse of doing a post before the jars are done has come down upon me. 1 BRF jar is gone to contam and the most colonized 12 grain jar the mycellium looks a little discoloured. It would be pretty funny if I lost everything to contam
The fore running BRF cake is fully colonized in 9 days thats freaking retardedly fast IME consolidation week will begin and im going to label this jar BRF-1
BRF Jars 2 weeks after inoculation
Ive directed the jars to show the least colonized sides these jars will be done sometime this week im sure.
BRF jars 23 days after inoculation. All these jars are fully colonized and have been for about a week now. I had to flip 3 of them over cause they stalled a little bit colonizing the last little bottom bit
12 Grain jars 23 days after inoculation 3 still need to finish but 2 are completely colonized
I will fruit all of them at the same time. Its going to be a pain in the ass to dig out a fruiting chamber I never unpacked when I moved here and still have shit in all my FC's. Guess im going to have to unpack at least one of them soon
First in vitro pins in the BRF cakes.
There is another jar with in vitro's also
BRF cakes before birthing
Best pinning cake birthed
I was in a rush and they were such a bitch to get out of the jars. I had to use a knife and vegetable oil for the BRF cakes. Managed to keep them all intact.
The 12 grain cakes are another story all together most of the cakes broke while birthing due to the jars. I tried to keep the pieces as large as possible and all the little pieces and bits I broke up into a tray and will let sit another couple of days to recolonize. Its probably going to contam and go bye bye tho. I forgot pictures of the 12 grain mess I made and cant take any right now when I place them into fruit tomorrow I will update with pics.
All the cakes are dunking now. I will roll them tomorrow and put them into an FC.
Cakes in the FC
The cakes on the top are the BRF the cakes on the bottom with the tray are the 12 grain.
Some shrooms off of a 12 grain cake.
Pins off of another 12 grain cake. This is one of the cakes I pieces together from seperate cakes
I see more pins and more of the 12 grain cakes are pinning then the BRF.
Some BRF pins
Some BRF cakes pinnig
Some 12 grain and the tray pinning
I was drunk and my brother wanted to trip I harvested 20 grams wet from 2 cakes. 1 gram dry per cake fucking The cakes are showing nice healthy shrooms but shit yield. I just really want some red redboy prints from these cakes.
2nd flush
BRF Cakes
12 grain
I lost 1 BRF cake due to some brown mold. After these pics were taken I harvested 45 grams wet off 3 cakes. The yield off of these cakes sucks hardcore.
Edited by UnnamedGrower (09/13/11 08:56 PM)
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even though I'm not experienced, at least not with successful grows, I try and keep in mind that nature is not perfect. There aren't random patches of BRF in the ground that mushrooms grow naturally on. They take what nutrients they can, what moisture they can, and as long as nothing contaminates; they'll grow. At what speed depends I guess. who knows, maybe you're onto something. the 12 grain does seem to be a bit more dense. what was the difference in consistency between the two when you mixed them up? I think that'll effect growth almost as much (if not more) than nutritional value.
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 Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: henik0]
#14828116 - 07/26/11 05:37 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It was much denser the brf was light and fluffy while the 12 grain smelt like flour and was very dense I only got 4 jars out of what I would normaly get 5 jars from and there was still a cpl air pockets in a cpl jars
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that right there might be something worth noting. Maybe cut back a little on the ratio? sacrifice nutritional content for substrate consistency? I'm no genius but I would think myc can grow faster in BRF than in mud haha. either way, you may have to wait longer but I'm sure they will result in some tasty cakes.
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: henik0]
#14828142 - 07/26/11 05:42 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I believe your right next time if there is one ill fuck around with the ratio. I think more water is needed for sure. Ill add some more verm next time also. At this point the 12 grain is ahead of the BRF and I inoculated the 12 grain one day later
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sounds like something worth logging when you do 
who knows, maybe BRF isn't as awesome as 12 grain and nobody ever bothered to try. with all the types of grains available I wouldn't doubt it.
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The gluten probably made it all sticky and compact. That was the only problem I've seen when working with wheat flour. But hey, if that 12 grain shit fruits better, maybe it's worth the pain.
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: prismism]
#14828263 - 07/26/11 06:03 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: prismism]
#14828272 - 07/26/11 06:04 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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The gluten probably made it all sticky and compact. That was the only problem I've seen when working with wheat flour. But hey, if that 12 grain shit fruits better, maybe it's worth the pain.
Yea thats probably the reason. How did wheat flour perform?
Ive seen results with ground up WBS used for cakes and this was faster than BRF also
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It was a long time ago, but I don't remember them fruiting very well. I think that the compactness of the substrate/lack or airiness can cause issues when colonizing and when fruiting. Could have been just bad genetics though, because I wasn't conducting an experiment or anything at the time.
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: prismism]
#14828457 - 07/26/11 06:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info.
Guess we will see how 12 grain flour performs unless like the poll results are showing everything is going to contam. Fucking haters
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: prismism]
#14828497 - 07/26/11 06:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I voted "worse" even though I'm not sure.
I once ground up some rye berries and made PF cakes. I did some BRF cakes at the same time. I inoculated all the jars with the same LC, and although the rye cakes colonized fine, the BRF cakes were all done about 4-5 days faster than the rye cakes.
IMHO I don't think anything works better than BRF.
If the 12 grain flour beats out the BRF in your experiment, it'll still be a mystery as to which grain(s) in that flour mixture are responsible for it.
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: Chez man]
#14828520 - 07/26/11 06:52 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Time will tell I guess TBH im not expecting it to do any better. My guess is that they are going to perform very closely.
I was bored I like to experiment and I needed something in my journal hence this post
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i voted itll all contamn.. but strictly for the lulz..  
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: evildee125]
#14828548 - 07/26/11 06:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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i voted itll all contamn.. but strictly for the lulz..
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OP updates with pics of the BRF jars one week after inoculation
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 that is a crazy quick jar...
I like the dragon btw...
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wow that is fast. I'm at 4 days since MS inoculation and i think i've got 2 jars out of 8 that a JUST barely starting to germinate. then again I could be just going crazy. I really should leave them in a safe and just look after a good week. I'm terrible with peeking..
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Re: BRF Vs. 12 Grain Flour [Re: henik0]
#14844382 - 07/29/11 05:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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that is a crazy quick jar...
I like the dragon btw...
Its mad's actually some ex of his painted it for him it is awesome for sure. Tommorrow's jars picture will be taken with steve french my jar protector attack kittyQuote:
henik0 said:
wow that is fast. I'm at 4 days since MS inoculation and i think i've got 2 jars out of 8 that a JUST barely starting to germinate. then again I could be just going crazy. I really should leave them in a safe and just look after a good week. I'm terrible with peeking..
Its an obsession with me. Ive been growing for 3-4 years and im still always checking my jars I love seeing mycellium grow.
As to the speed. The syringe I made had spores germinating within 12 hours which IME always helps with the speed of take off and over all from MS innoculations.
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