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#14743348 - 07/10/11 01:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Last december I graduated from a University with a Bachelors of Fine Arts and a concentration in graphic design. It could be usefull but not for me.
After graduation I made sure I had Adobe creative suite on my computer so that I could start stepping up my graphics game. To say the least, I didnt make it too far. I opened up photoshop and stared at my computer screen. The truth is that I dont like graphics at all and it has always been a chore. I only picked it because I had to pick something. I didnt know what I was passionate for back then.
Well, now I am far in debt because I partied and took my college life for granted. I plan to go to the Navy and pay them off yet I am torn between another longing. I long to go back to college for my passion. To do what I love.
I always loved fitness but since I have been studying for my CSCS(certified strength and conditioning specialist) exam, I have been obsessed with exercise science. I wrote a paper on fat and fat loss just for fun! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14743084 I sit on my computer and literally research exercise science for hours and hours at a time. And I love it!
I long to study under a proffesor again. I thirst for knowledge. I have so many questions. I long to enroll at a university and feel the cool crisp air of the fall semester. I long to take in the festivites of campus events. I want so badly to get a degree in kinesiology or exercise science and then proceed to get my masters. I want it. I want it!!
I could go to the Navy active duty or go reserves. I could enroll in college and consequently end up in even MORE debt, which would be alot of debt.
Bottem line.. I dont care what I have to do, I want to go back to college ASAP, and I want my masters in exercise science.
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#14743437 - 07/10/11 02:22 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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What about the "Community College of the Air Force"?
Only branch that has such a thing that I know of. A campus on every base.
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What about the "Community College of the Air Force"?
Only branch that has such a thing that I know of. A campus on every base.
Well I know that the millitary will actually help pay for a person to go to college so that is a good thing. I would like to go reserve while I go back to school, but I heard that changing from reserve to active is an extremely hard thing to do. Thats what my recruiters tell me. But then again, if I went to college for something I like, I could probably get a job in that field for sure.
Community college wont cut it for me. I want to go all the way. I might even be seeking a masters.
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Re: College [Re: XUL]
#14745438 - 07/10/11 03:02 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Community college wont cut it for me. I want to go all the way.
How is community college going to prevent you from going all the way? I went to community college and am now working on a PhD. Community college is the bomb, the teachers are better and the cost is less. You say you are already in debt... If you have required classes that could be fulfilled at a community college, you would be a fool to take them elsewhere.
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Forgot to mention, that college is free. Doesn't cost you a dime. And there's an extensive correspondence course available also. Pair that with college loan repayment bonuses and regular sign on bonuses (Depending on MOS), and you may have your education paid for. AND moving towards what you really want to do. Most people don't know that any training you receive from the military can be converted to college credit also.
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Community college wont cut it for me. I want to go all the way.
How is community college going to prevent you from going all the way? I went to community college and am now working on a PhD. Community college is the bomb, the teachers are better and the cost is less. You say you are already in debt... If you have required classes that could be fulfilled at a community college, you would be a fool to take them elsewhere.
Hey thanks for the comments everybody.
DieCommie,
Maybe you are right. I could look into finding classes that would transfer. One good thing is that I have a degree already so most of my gen eds should transfer. Do you have any info on transfering credits? Lets say that my credits will transfer to the school I choose. Would that mean that I can should be able to get another degree in around 2 - 2.5 years? Or maybe even less than 2?
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Re: College [Re: XUL]
#14755353 - 07/12/11 06:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Have you selected a school for an exercise masters and looked into whats actually required?
You may not even need to take additional classes. My graduate advisor used to tell me about the "film studies" major that was accepted to medical school. Granted, they had MCAT's to look at, but the point stands. If you have the grades, you may be accepted without additional coursework.
Try and figure out what you want to do and see if a masters is worth it. For example, in most of the biological sciences (chem, bio etc.) a masters doesn't do a whole lot. It pretty much qualifies you for the same jobs as a BS.
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Have you selected a school for an exercise masters and looked into whats actually required?
You may not even need to take additional classes. My graduate advisor used to tell me about the "film studies" major that was accepted to medical school. Granted, they had MCAT's to look at, but the point stands. If you have the grades, you may be accepted without additional coursework.
Try and figure out what you want to do and see if a masters is worth it. For example, in most of the biological sciences (chem, bio etc.) a masters doesn't do a whole lot. It pretty much qualifies you for the same jobs as a BS.
Good call on seeing if the Masters is worth it.
Im sure I wouldnt be accepted into a Masters program right now. My grades from my first degree werent spectacular. I didnt make great grades for my first degree because I actually hated it. When I figured out what I really loved it was too late and I was already a Jr.
I would be the first one from my family to get their masters and that would be great. But its not only that, its a personal goal kind of. Plus learning all that great material would be amazing.
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Re: College [Re: XUL]
#14756684 - 07/12/11 02:13 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I'd urge you to look into a PhD. Reason being: Its paid for, in full, and you get paid to do it.
At least in biological sciences, this is how it is. Tuition is free, they pay you about 20k to complete the degree.
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Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.
...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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I'd urge you to look into a PhD. Reason being: Its paid for, in full, and you get paid to do it.
At least in biological sciences, this is how it is. Tuition is free, they pay you about 20k to complete the degree.
What are the requirments for a PhD, typically?
I just did some research and found out the tuition for the school I want to attend.
Its 4,144 per semester which is extremely reasonable. I think I am in luck here!
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Re: College [Re: XUL]
#14763855 - 07/13/11 07:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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What are the requirments for a PhD, typically?
Typically, graduate students have high grades and research experience.
However, you need to keep in mind the perspective of a professor. He/she benefits greatly from having a grad student, because they work for about 20k/year. That's cheap labor (and they're expected to be motivated and work hard).
So sometimes it easy to find a professor that WANTS you as a grad student.
You mentioned a slight concern about grades, but you could negotiate with a professor. Tell him you'll work as an employee for a year, with the thought of entering graduate school as his student a year later. If you work hard, produce, and display critical thinking skills, I can pretty much guarantee he/she won't give a shit about the "C" you got in art class that brings your GPA down.
Regardless, of what you do, I would really encourage you to ask. Ask a masters program how you look as a candidate. They should be more than willing to help. You might be surprised at the answers and help you get.
There is absolutely no sense in paying for more school simply because you THINK you don't have the required coursework.
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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Thanks for the info Badchad. I will definitely look into that.
So it turns out I kind of hit the jack pot as far as money is concerned. The price for one semester at East Stroudsburg is 4,144 not inlcuding used books and a place to live. I figure I can get books offline and also get an off campus apartment.
I just got a job making 12 dollars an hour, which isnt to great BUT.. I only have to work 2.5 days a week for my 40 hours! That means I can get another part time job to go with it. By doing this I should have more than enough money saved to go back to college next fall.
I figure I will also work a 20 hours a week job when I am in school. By doing that I qualify for food stamps and also free books! One other thing I have going for me is the Navy reserve. If my shoulder is not permenantly fucked, then I will go to the Navy and that will help with college funds.
I have an excellent plan. And it will work.
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Re: College [Re: XUL]
#14812440 - 07/23/11 10:01 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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With a PhD, you really need to look into what it gets you. Usually, a PhD opens doors to different areas of work that wouldn't be available with just a masters. Think national labs. It DOESN'T necessarily get you any more money. And they're a fucking pain in the ass to get. There aren't rigid requirements like those of a masters or bachelors (i.e. jump through these hoops and you get your degree in 2 years). You need to take an entrance exam, which may be both oral and written, present your work to a board of professors on your committee, and then defend your work when it's finished. There are no class requirements, but instead, you work on research, and for a shitload less money than you'd be getting in the real world. Plus, not all professors are looking out for your best interests. Some may just as well like to keep you around for 5 or 6 years to do their dirty work for a cheap rate (after all, by that time, you are very experienced in your field). Think long and hard about a PhD before you decide on that route. I realize that you're a long ways away from that, but just giving my two cents.
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You could always do ROTC where the army pays for college, and i believe you get spending money, but you have to server as many years in the army as you are in school, but from what ive heard its a great deal especially for something like med school where its so expensive
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Re: College [Re: Bambi]
#14823360 - 07/25/11 06:56 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I'm at a crossroads with this myself, I'm finding that the promise from my schools IT Director of making 50-60k walking out the door with a CCNA and no experience was fucking bull shit.
I myself graduated last December, with honors, and cannot find a job in my field to save my life. On top of that, I am starting to realize that I hate doing desktop support, which is basically the entry level job for the first 15-20 years of someones IT career. I'm now in debt with a vey bleak outlook for a career (aside from $10/hour helpdesk positions), so I'm actually considering starting over with school, but I'm not sure where.
I originally wanted to be an electrician, but would have no idea where to begin training for that, as the only place Ive seen it offered is ITT Tech, which is around $300/credit hour, which I definitely cannot afford.
Feels like shit having spent 3 years of my life learning networking, only to find the only entry level jobs are pc / email support, which I was never prepared for 
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Re: College [Re: c1dh3d]
#14852094 - 07/31/11 05:08 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thats why if ur in doubt when ur young. Get a business degree. Then once you figure out your passion start a business. Instead of having a "graphic design" degree 
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I disagree. If you're in doubt, don't go to college and incur all the debt in the first place. You can start a business without an overpriced degree, as evidenced by several in my family. Making a successful business requires hard work and street smarts.
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I disagree. If you're in doubt, don't go to college and incur all the debt in the first place. You can start a business without an overpriced degree, as evidenced by several in my family. Making a successful business requires hard work and street smarts.
I agree, and could not disagree more with the comment above it, business degrees are not worth the paper they are printed on anymore. They will not help you in the job market, as companies are trying to downsize management, not hire more of it.
I would never wish 4 years of college for a business degree on my worst enemy (no offense to anyone with one).
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Re: College [Re: c1dh3d]
#14856093 - 08/01/11 01:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think the Military isn't a bad option, but whatever you do, DON'T JOIN THE NAVY. Look, I live 3min from the largest navy base we have. Every Navy member i've ever talked to (and i frequented a weekly poker game for a year that was 80% navy), they all HATE the fucking navy.
This is going to sound crazy: but i'd join teh marines before i joined the navy.
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