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 EternalCowabunga
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 was thinking about Hell 
#14595976 - 06/11/11 02:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I was thinking about Christianity's idea of Hell, which is basically a place that is very hot and you will be the recipient of overwhelming pain.
But surely we can imagine scenarios much worse than this, right? Is pain the ultimate suffering?
How about a Hell which is basically like an eternity on salvia? Or an eternity of insanity/fear/schizophrenia?
I am interested to hear your ideas. 
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Icelander
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Or how about the idea that hell is believing there is a hell.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
#14596751 - 06/11/11 06:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Or how about the idea that hell is believing there is a hell.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14596773 - 06/11/11 06:22 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Hell is other people --Sartre
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The whole thing is that hell is eternalk torment, where as here on earth we have moments of pleasure, and couldn't have them without the pain. WHich is why the Greek gods envied men, they got bored with their divine soap opera. So they started messing with men...
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
#14600684 - 06/12/11 02:40 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Or how about the idea that hell is believing there is a hell.
Nice point, in my opinion that reality is yours to create as is everything else.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
#14604231 - 06/13/11 04:05 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I think that what was meant by an "eternity in hell" is that your present moment, your eternal moment, will always be a hell and continue turning into a hell in future lives unless you change the way you live your life.
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Interesting video Wiccan. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
#14605766 - 06/13/11 01:44 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Well, though SouthPark, its a fair representation of the Christian image of Hell.
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I like to explore this by going to the roots of words and ideas. For example--ever wondered where the very word 'Hell' comes from? Of course when we go to the origins of myth we dont find male 'God' or 'gods' we find Goddess. And Hell derives from Hel Norse Goddess of the Land of the Dead
it is only the male-dominant belief systems which has made death dreadful, including promoting the fear of everlasting hell. Far more ancinetly, in Goddess mythos, life and death are complimentary -you cannot have one without the other--and nature is sacred. So the Goddess was Wombtomb, meaning we are born from mothers womb and return to the Womb when dead which is a place that reality re-forms, and this is a dynamic eternal mystery.
But what the male sadistic belief dominators want is for you to fear life AND death. if they can have you fearing your very being, they then can manipulate you to cling to their authority. Ie., the Church would claim that if you believed in their dogma and gave them you money, and often your very sexuality--as in abstincance--thet you will go to 'heaven' and not 'hell'.
Now I am not saying that horrible experiences dont exist. You know they exist on earth--nazi campls, gang warefare, 9/11 false flags, wars, poverty etc etc, and you must know if you have ever had a bummer that you can experience inner hells. And some people who have had 'hellish NDEs' report the same---that they found themselves in a hellish place. So I am not claiming that there is no hellish experience, or no heavenly experience--but that it is NOT everlasting. That reality is dynamic, and hell implies heaven and vice versa. We need a dynamic othersise we get static which is not real. You cannot have JUST one thing. You cant have JUSt light or JUST dark or JUST front or JUST back--back and front imply each other. Understand?
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: zzripz]
#14606050 - 06/13/11 02:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Nice read zz, thanks for sharing!
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Quote:
EternalCowabunga said:
I was thinking about Christianity's idea of Hell, which is basically a place that is very hot and you will be the recipient of overwhelming pain.
But surely we can imagine scenarios much worse than this, right? Is pain the ultimate suffering?
How about a Hell which is basically like an eternity on salvia? Or an eternity of insanity/fear/schizophrenia?
I am interested to hear your ideas.
Scene 6, Dr. Faust by Christopher Marlowe
FAUSTUS.
How many heavens or spheres are there?
MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Nine; the seven planets, the firmament, and the empyreal
heaven.
FAUSTUS.
Well, resolve me in this question; why have we not
conjunctions, oppositions, aspects, eclipses, all at one time,
but in some years we have more, in some less?
MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Per inoequalem motum respectu totius.
FAUSTUS.
Well, I am answered. Tell me who made the world?
MEPHISTOPHILIS.
I will not.
FAUSTUS.
Sweet Mephistophilis, tell me.
MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Move me not, for I will not tell thee.
FAUSTUS.
Villain, have I not bound thee to tell me any thing?
MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Ay, that is not against our kingdom; but this is. Think
thou on hell, Faustus, for thou art damned. 
FAUSTUS.
Think, Faustus, upon God that made the world.
MEPHISTOPHILIS.
Remember this.
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I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.
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Quote:
Ziggy-Shr00mdust said:
I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.
Mind explaining?
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Quote:
Ziggy-Shr00mdust said:
I find the christian concept of heaven to be infinitely more unsettling than their concept of eternal punishment. And I know i'm not alone.
You have no idea. If you went to heaven you'd have to spend time with my dad.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: Icelander]
#14611452 - 06/14/11 01:07 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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there are different levels of hell and planes of torment. some beings actually prefer hell and darkness, because they are darkness.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
#14611809 - 06/14/11 02:18 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
You have no idea. If you went to heaven you'd have to spend time with my dad.
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klopi123 said:
there are different levels of hell and planes of torment. some beings actually prefer hell and darkness, because they are darkness.
You sounds pretty certain of this, how do you know? Visited?
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us all. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: don_vedo]
#14611829 - 06/14/11 02:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Ive meet them.
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don_vedo
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Re: was thinking about Hell [Re: klopi123]
#14611835 - 06/14/11 02:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Met who?
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