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 desert father
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 Re: reality of a psychedelic experience  [Re: Icelander]
#12913151 - 07/17/10 10:16 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
My guess is that LSD and the like put one into a pre material state. Or what it's like to be in the womb with all your needs met. But once out of that we are in a material world governed by the struggle for survival. You can't get around that until death imo. You can however make it easier on yourself.
You are no different from any man who has "gotten around that", you just refuse to truly commit yourself to it.
"God had one son on earth without sin, but never one without suffering." - St Augustine
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vi veri veniversum vivus vici
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 Icelander
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Re: reality of a psychedelic experience [Re: desert father]
#12913285 - 07/17/10 10:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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 That's really not what I said.
I really don't think St A knew what he was talking about.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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blahblah5368
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Re: reality of a psychedelic experience [Re: Icelander]
#12956135 - 07/26/10 05:00 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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idk if it takes you to a "pre-material state", where "all your needs are met". there is no music and hardly any sound in the womb besides the womans bodily functions, mainly the heart. and music is one of the most important parts of the psychedelic experience in my opinion. also you have no concept of light or color in the womb, another major part of the psychedelic experience. i think that your previous life experiences play a major part in an intense psychedelic experience, so you would require those memories. i guess i could compare your theory to my idea that when you are on psychedelics, everything is right in the universe, you dont need the biggest tv, or the flashiest car, or the biggest bank account, as many ppl need in the material world. and the material world is no longer so much about the struggle for survival; most of the world's population has no trouble surviving anymore. now its about instant gratification and the natural arrogance of most people. its not so much about hunting-gathering for survival anymore, those days are well past us. its about "how can i move up the social ladder", "how can i get that promotion", "how can i finance this trip to the bahamas", "how can i get laid", blahblahblah. thats society's fault, because thats how society portrays everything. psychedelics throw all that bullshit away and focus on love, happiness, calm, well-being, and a conncection to the tremendous force of energy that drives everything in the universe and beyond
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Re: reality of a psychedelic experience [Re: Kickle]
#13200961 - 09/15/10 09:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Reminds me of Ram Dass, who gave a indian yogi LSD and nothing happened.
Obviously because the guru already exists in that state, always.
Ram Dass then decided to give up drugs, and converted to a life of meditation/spirituality after that.
This is what the guru said to him...about whether he should continue taking LSD....
"If you are alone, in a place that is peaceful, and your mind is focused only toward God, then you may take this medicine."
lol
I've never once tripped off LSD.
And by that I mean that I've taken the most potent stuff that people can find me and it does nothing. I'm not in any enlightened state, I just don't have a reaction. Beats the hell out of me as to why. Last time I took acid, my friend guaranteed this was the one. Best stuff he'd ever gotten. Took 2 hits, nothing. Called him, told him his shit was bunk. He swore up down left and right that it wasn't. Told me to give it to anyone I trusted and see if they tripped. So I did, and they did. Tripped harder than I'd ever seen them trip. So I took another 2 hits, thinking maybe the first two were just a mishandled section or something strange like that. Nothing... felt like taking a dose of caffeine if anything. I went and visited with my Grandfather a few hours after eating them. 
i doubt this is what happened to ram dass' guru
personally i think ram dass is a complete idiot and he felt for a typical hindu guru type who probably played magic tricks on richard
he gave him lsd, he could've just pretended to take it
ram dass comes off as naive repeating that dumb old story all the time
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Re: reality of a psychedelic experience [Re: blahblah5368]
#13202631 - 09/16/10 05:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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is the world we see while on psychedelics more of a "reality" than the world we see when sober? i, for one, cant imagine why anyone would not want to look at the world thru what i like to call "acid glasses". everything is so much more pure and right and joyous. how can the shitty world we live in be the "reality" we are supposed to experience before we go onto whatever happens after death? i think that life was meant to be seen thru "acid glasses", or shrooms or whatever. i cant see people making war in a psychedelic state of mind, or overpopulating the earth, or polluting, or becoming obese, or generally destroying our planet. i could live the rest of my life in an lsd-induced state, and would need nothing besides nourshiment, nature, music, and company. additionally, i'm quite interested in the state of consciousness attained when taking extra large doses of psychedelics or dmt. almost everyone reports the same kinds of feelings/emotions, and on dmt alot of people see the exact same kinds of worlds/beings. how "real" is this dmt world, and why does an intense psychedelic experience make everyone feel so whole and connected with the entire universe? it seems like during an intense experience we transcend our finite and limited human forms and become something totally different. is this the reality that everyone needs to attain to turn around our pathetic culture/world? any thoughts, idea, revelations, etc would be greatly appreciated
Technically speaking psychedelics opens the subconcious, or energy body whatever its called to the Spirit consciousness world. Rather or not your ready for that is one thing. ALso if your in a fear plain when you inter those phycedlic relms, phycedlics can be like hell and dangerou to some people. I knew of a guy who took shrooms at a party then he started stabbing a bunch of people.
You can connect to different spiritual realitties with or without drugs. But if you enter the spirit world you better know some things, cause there are negative consciousness forces out there, learning self defense is a good idea. Take shrooms in a possitve vibration. ANd learning how to maintain that possitve vibration is essential.
Edited by p4kSouL (09/16/10 05:28 AM)
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Re: reality of a psychedelic experience [Re: blahblah5368]
#14371183 - 04/29/11 06:56 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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blahblah5368 said:
is the world we see while on psychedelics more of a "reality" than the world we see when sober? i, for one, cant imagine why anyone would not want to look at the world thru what i like to call "acid glasses". everything is so much more pure and right and joyous. how can the shitty world we live in be the "reality" we are supposed to experience before we go onto whatever happens after death? i think that life was meant to be seen thru "acid glasses", or shrooms or whatever. i cant see people making war in a psychedelic state of mind, or overpopulating the earth, or polluting, or becoming obese, or generally destroying our planet. i could live the rest of my life in an lsd-induced state, and would need nothing besides nourshiment, nature, music, and company. additionally, i'm quite interested in the state of consciousness attained when taking extra large doses of psychedelics or dmt. almost everyone reports the same kinds of feelings/emotions, and on dmt alot of people see the exact same kinds of worlds/beings. how "real" is this dmt world, and why does an intense psychedelic experience make everyone feel so whole and connected with the entire universe? it seems like during an intense experience we transcend our finite and limited human forms and become something totally different. is this the reality that everyone needs to attain to turn around our pathetic culture/world? any thoughts, idea, revelations, etc would be greatly appreciated
This is the danger I see with where you go with this. OK, look at it this way. This planet is home. You are born out of it and into it, and are nurtured by it. You eat from it and are watered by it, and it recycles your organic shit into food for other species--or SHOULD.
As well as ordinary food there is food which indigenous peoples from time immemorial have called 'sacred'. Why? because it opens the eyes to the deepening mysteries of this amazing world. BUT the INTERPRETATIOn can go awry when you take the experience to be superior from the state or states you are ordinarily in. Let me explain.
IF you believe that the state of ecstasy is the superior state, and that when you 'come down' the states(s) you come down to are a drag, inferior, shitty, etc then I think you have not really dug what psychedelic experience is revealing to you. Which is---that life is a CONTINUUM. So you cannot have light without dark and vice verse, warm without cold,inside without outside, ....etc and same applies to ecstasy without 'ordinary' life. Think about it----when you take your entheogen there is a process right, greadually you enter and then there is a climax, and then the gradual 'come down'. So it is NOT a static state is it? So how come then do you desire a static state of all-the-time-ecstasy? get me?
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Re: reality of a psychedelic experience [Re: p4kSouL]
#14502669 - 05/24/11 04:22 AM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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blahblah5368 said:
You can connect to different spiritual realitties with or without drugs. But if you enter the spirit world you better know some things, cause there are negative consciousness forces out there, learning self defense is a good idea. Take shrooms in a possitve vibration. ANd learning how to maintain that possitve vibration is essential.
What is this spiritual world people keep talking about, i don't get it... details man details
Edited by infectedstyle (05/24/11 04:23 AM)
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