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 [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous 
#14472699 - 05/18/11 01:16 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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A legal high: Examining designer drugs: Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/target_8/A-legal-high-Examining-designer-drugs
A legal high: Examining designer drugs
Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous
Updated: Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 8:39 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 11:00 PM EDT
By Crystal Hilliard
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) - Some might dabble in legal designer drugs, thinking they're an alternative to, or a softer version of something like marijuana. But they've proven to be risky and dangerous -- perhaps worse than even some of their illegal counterparts, experts told Target 8.
Chris Grondman has gotten high on K2, often known as spice, or synthetic marijuana.
"I actually tried walking into my door in my bedroom," said Grondman, describing the experience. "I opened my door, and the next thing I know, I walked into it."
His friend, Jon Demorest, went with him to get the K2.
"He's like, 'we're supposed to tell you guys it's an incense, and it's not made for smoking,' " Demorest said of the experience at the shop. "'But you can smoke it anyway.' We were like, all right."
State legislators recently outlawed K2 in Michigan.
But Target 8 went undercover and found many similar drugs -- known as spice, or incense blend -- on the market.
When our investigator went inside the Holland shop Nirvana, and asked for K2, an employee answered: "Spice. I do have blended incense, yes."
Those blends aren't the only designer drugs Nirvana had in stock.
"We figured out a way to do it on our own, to match the recipes, and come up with something that was kind of different," the shop employee told Target 8.
Nirvana sells its own mix of bath salts, a drug said to mimic the effects of cocaine and methamphetamine.
"It looks just like coke when you grind it up," the Nirvana employee said.
Asked Target 8: "It looks like coke?"
"Yep."
"I've heard it's stronger than coke," the reporter said.
Answered the worker: "Yeah, it is."
Kathleen Vivio is an emergency room nurse in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. She said these bath salts -- snorted, smoked and injected -- are especially popular among teens and those in their early 20s.
"We get 'em on a cot and they're swinging their arms around, and they're saying things -- they don't even know what they're saying," Vivio said. "They're swearing (and) they're threatening."
People high on the bath salts punch and kick, too.
"We get spit on, we get pinched, we get bit," Vivio said. "We worry about ourselves ... They're just out of control."
The Nirvana employee said the store has scaled down its version of the bath salts, and hasn't heard of any customers suffering from bad reactions. Still, police agencies are more than aware of this trend.
"We just need to educate people, and let them know what could happen to them when it comes to being paranoid or hallucinating, and or possibly dying, if they overdose on these drugs," said Jeff Pratt, of the Hastings Police Department.
The detective sergeant works about two blocks from the Smoky Mountain Smoke Shop.
When our Target 8 investigator went into the store undercover, requesting K2, a clerk took the reporter to a back room, where the shop keeps its incense blends.
An employee explained why stores can't carry K2 anymore.
"Everybody and their brother was bootleggin' it in their garage and stuff," the Smoky Mountain Smoke Shop worker said. "So, if you go to Lansing, it's different than Grand Rapids or Florida. Everybody made their own and called it K2."
And that's an even bigger part of the danger involved with designer drugs, authorities say. There's no real way to know what's in them, because all the ingredients are typically not listed on the bag.
And as for the outside of the bag?
"Not for human consumption," the Nirvana worker said, reading aloud. "Which, basically, it's not. You choose to be a dummy and smoke it. That's on you. Do I sell it, knowing that it's going to be smoked? Yeah."
One Nirvana customer said she smokes incense, ranging from $10 to $20 per bag, in place of marijuana.
"They smoke better in a bowl, but you can still roll 'em up," one Nirvana customer said. "... Yeah, I've rolled up. Yeah."
And it's legal.
"A child could go in and buy this stuff legally," said state Sen. Rick Jones, R-Grand Ledge. "They can't buy cigarettes. They can't buy beer. But they can buy something even worse."
Designer drugs are popping up so fast, state lawmakers can't keep up. Currently, it takes months to ban a drug.
"We think we can react faster to any new rogue scientist making up a new chemical," Jones said.
But that's only if his proposed legislation is passed and signed.
Jones wants to give the Michigan Department of Community Health the power to ban any potentially dangerous substance temporarily, until the state police crime lab can determine whether it should be legal.
Only the federal Drug Enforcement Agency has that power.
Vivio likes the idea of the state having that ability.
"I know that people don't like laws, but if it's going to save your child from having a stroke, or permanent brain damage or hurting someone or themself, then I guess we have to do something like that," Vivio said. "Because they're not strong enough to do it themselves."
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 Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: PassiveAgressive]
#14473120 - 05/18/11 02:43 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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Bottom line, whether it's legal or not, you must be cautious about what you put in your body.
That's what websites like Erowid.org are for. To help you make educated decisions about the substances that you consume.
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: FleshCap]
#14473289 - 05/18/11 03:21 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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FleshCap said:
Bottom line, whether it's legal or not, you must be cautious about what you put in your body.
That's what websites like Erowid.org are for. To help you make educated decisions about the substances that you consume.
I'd toast to that, well said. Truth is though that the bath salts and spice are more dangerous that the illegal versions and they wouldn't exist if there counterparts were legal, these dangerous new drugs are a a direct result of prohibition, and if they cause people to get sick or die, I partially blame big brother.
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: taterdb]
#14473907 - 05/18/11 05:24 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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This is exactly why marijuana should be legal in all states or at least decriminalized.
Everyone knows that its no more harmful than cigarettes. The simple fact is we are losing the war on drugs because if a grown man or woman wants to get high in the privacy of their home and not around kids it should be his own choice. Also if a grown man or woman is going to get high then he is going to get high and there is nothing the law can do about this.
There is more marijuana in the us than ever before, its not going ANYWHERE so you might as well tax it, make some money on it and regulate the inevitable "pot"
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: eatshrOOms88]
#14474088 - 05/18/11 06:09 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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I love how the feds are focusing on these designer drugs and not bringing up cannabis. Has it occurred to them how stupid America looks that we have these for sale in shops, but not our beloved Marijuana? On going battle of our government being stupid, repetitive, money/power hungry and not using any human logic when making laws...dumb asses.
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: Mushie23]
#14475695 - 05/18/11 11:40 PM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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who the fuck is this douchebag employee they interviewed?
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It looks just like coke when you grind it up," the Nirvana employee said.
Asked Target 8: "It looks like coke?"
"Yep."
"I've heard it's stronger than coke," the reporter said.
Answered the worker: "Yeah, it is."
Yea not for long you dumb ass 
I think "bath salts" are disgusting btw
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#14476659 - 05/19/11 04:31 AM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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LongStrangeTrip said:
who the fuck is this douchebag employee they interviewed?
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It looks just like coke when you grind it up," the Nirvana employee said.
Asked Target 8: "It looks like coke?"
"Yep."
"I've heard it's stronger than coke," the reporter said.
Answered the worker: "Yeah, it is."
Yea not for long you dumb ass
I think "bath salts" are disgusting btw
yeah and they definitely aren't stronger than coke
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: Mushie23]
#14476719 - 05/19/11 04:56 AM (2 years, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
Mushie23 said:
I love how the feds are focusing on these designer drugs and not bringing up cannabis. Has it occurred to them how stupid America looks that we have these for sale in shops, but not our beloved Marijuana? On going battle of our government being stupid, repetitive, money/power hungry and not using any human logic when making laws...dumb asses.
One would think they should have learned something from the alcohol prohibition. It was the greatest time for the mafia back then with all these ginormous profits and people went blind and died from cheap and poorly distilled and thus toxic alcohol.
Today? Same thing, different drugs. Alcohol is now legal, yet they are repeating the same mistake. Fucking legalize, tax and control it. Of course there will still be problems with people who can't do drugs responsibly and have an addiction tendency, but it's the same with alcohol and tobacco. Even more so, millions of people are having an alcohol problem or are outright addicted to alcohol or nicotine, yet that's neither the end of the world nor society. And it's a MUCH bigger problem than all other drugs.
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In the article:
"Everybody and their brother was bootleggin' it in their garage and stuff," the Smoky Mountain Smoke Shop worker said. "So, if you go to Lansing, it's different than Grand Rapids or Florida. Everybody made their own and called it K2."
Can't they fucking see what the fucking problem here is?
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Re: [MI] A legal high: Examining designer drugs Bath salts, incense blends still dangerous [Re: PassiveAgressive]
#15323004 - 11/04/11 06:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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the stuff they have out now is even better then the old K2....every time the law makes a chemical illeagl they come back with something better.
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