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 Celestial Traveler
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 Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? 
#14344694 - 04/24/11 08:06 PM (2 years, 29 days ago) |
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I haven't smoked in a day or two, and before that for about five days. But before that break I had been smoking pot everyday for three months in a row and I have been in a loooong plateau for sometime now in my weightlifting. I have also heard that pot can lower your testosterone. Is this true, and if so could this be why I've had trouble getting stronger?
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Although I don't recommend more than 3-5 times per week smoking (regardless of whether a person is trying to gain or not), pot is almost certainly not the cause of your problems. Besides, alcohol is much worse on testosterone levels, both directly & indirectly.
I'm feel like I'm at a plateau in many ways myself, & unfortunately i don't have any real good advice. However, since building muscle generally goes in cycles (i.e. you start lean, then lift & eat heavy to add mass some of which is inevitably fat, then you work to lose the fat & get lean again but hopefully w/more muscle mass than the last time you were lean, & repeat), i think that could more likely be it.
Coming out of winter I'm a bit on the heavy side, so I need to prioritize running & lose 10-15 lbs. & see if that helps. Also varying your routine would be a good idea. I've said b4 that I was gonna try kettlebells to do for like a month after 2-3 of intense lifting, but i haven't got around to it. With just two more weeks of school left, I definitely need to devote some time to that starting here soon to diversify my routine & hopefully overcome my plateau once I get back into the lifting. Good luck, & hopefully someone else has some better advice from experience.
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There is no such thing as a plateau. The body can always progress. You aren't working hard enough or you aren't eating right, or it could be you aren't resting enough. Regardless of what it is, fix it. Drugs will not stop a serious person from getting results. I always hear people say "Well I hit a plateau..." No you didn't. Stop making excuses and fix it. If you can't fix it, ask questions on what you are doing wrong.
If there was such a thing as a plateau, someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger would not be possible.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#14349247 - 04/25/11 04:06 PM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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nah man people plateau but thats because they let themselves if you lift the same weight and same repitition youre not going to gain strength your muscles will be lean and tight versus beeing a big meat head who cant wipe there ass, change up your workout an perhaps atleast once a month max out, an for pot making it harder to gain muscle that all really depends on the person if they are a productive stoner or not. all in all smoke weeds an keep the workout fresh an youre sure to see results remember now just becuase a muscle has one name they can be worked in several different ways.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: northwesthesh]
#14353423 - 04/26/11 05:22 AM (2 years, 28 days ago) |
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Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Joolz]
#14355041 - 04/26/11 02:38 PM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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Joolz said:
Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
truu dat pot will almost work like a recovery workout supplement 'used correctly'
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: northwesthesh]
#14356723 - 04/26/11 07:57 PM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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nah man people plateau but thats because they let themselves if you lift the same weight and same repitition...
Not exactly. If one continues to increase their weight while maintaining the same reps (usually 8-12 for maximum muscle gain for upper body, & up to 15 for lower body), & w/o changing their routine at all or not to an appreciable extent over the course of months, then they won't be able to continue progressing at the rate that they had been. In other words, if you try to keep increasing your weight amt by a certain (rough) % or weighted increments each time you do sets of a particular exercise, then eventually as you increase it (at the same rate at which you've been doing it successfully), your reps will start to go down... & development will be hindered of course.
Thus, it is worthwhile to make a fairly "drastic" & sudden switch to your routine for a time (like perhaps a months) to hopefully overcome this once you get back to your "bread and butter" heavier lifting routine, to get back to your previous rate of progression. Conversely, if you appropriately incorporate some of the "advanced" techniques that Arnold references in his book, then maybe you can stick with the "heavy lifting" w/o having to make a more drastic switch for a short time. Either way, this time for me, I'm going to opt for the former, like trying 2-4 weeks of "medium" lifting with a more continuous cardio throughout the session... I think that's the basis of kettlebell workouts?
To the poster before yours: If you are going to cite Arnold, please bother to look in his book (the several hundred page "bible" of bodybuilding) so you can make a more informed statement. In it he references the need to add variety & "shock" the body from time to time away from what it has become accustomed to, in order to achieve maximal gains. Yes, if you do everything right & have the appropriate variety at the appropriate intervals, you could theoretically never hit a plateau. However, most serious lifters do run into them at least once in their lifting "career." To really know that your rate of progress is slowing down, though, you have to be serious about lifting to the extent that you write down every set & # of reps that you do. So anyone who doesn't do this probably isn't a serious lifter, & their comments on the subject should be taken with a grain of salt..
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Joolz]
#14356822 - 04/26/11 08:12 PM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
If you get even a little high before or during a workout you're wasting your time. Ive seen so many threads where people claim getting high before a work out is beneficial. Its fucking not, quit being retarded now people. Fact- Pot WILL make you lazy and WILL rob you of energy. Thats why you smoke afterwards to unwind.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14356855 - 04/26/11 08:17 PM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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I agree. If you are a serious lifter, pot (in most ways) would be fairly dangerous to do b4 a session, when doing a # of exercises. Even for those times when it wouldn't be dangerous per se, I highly doubt you will achieve maximum efficiency.
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Exactly, if you're not giving it your all why bother.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14358864 - 04/27/11 01:53 AM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
If you get even a little high before or during a workout you're wasting your time. Ive seen so many threads where people claim getting high before a work out is beneficial. Its fucking not, quit being retarded now people. Fact- Pot WILL make you lazy and WILL rob you of energy. Thats why you smoke afterwards to unwind.
Speak for yourself. I have a tolerance and pot doesn't make me one bit lazy. Alcohol makes me fucking lazy and robs me of my energy, but pot? Nah.
and wasting my time? You're kiddin me. Working out some > None
PS. Don't spout shit as fact, thats hilarious that you think everyone is like you.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Uzziel]
#14359062 - 04/27/11 02:36 AM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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what..? combining weed with exercise is AWESOME.. muscle stretching/exertion feels SO good to me when i'm high.. way better than when i'm not high. not only that, my mind-body connection is greatly enhanced
weed is a drug just like any other, higher doses may not be conducive to certain activities, etc.. and in this case, generally speaking, lower doses of THC tend to go better with physical exercise
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: owls]
#14359376 - 04/27/11 04:31 AM (2 years, 27 days ago) |
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Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
If you get even a little high before or during a workout you're wasting your time. Ive seen so many threads where people claim getting high before a work out is beneficial. Its fucking not, quit being retarded now people. Fact- Pot WILL make you lazy and WILL rob you of energy. Thats why you smoke afterwards to unwind.
Speak for yourself. I have a tolerance and pot doesn't make me one bit lazy. Alcohol makes me fucking lazy and robs me of my energy, but pot? Nah.
and wasting my time? You're kiddin me. Working out some > None
PS. Don't spout shit as fact, thats hilarious that you think everyone is like you.
Think what you want youre wrong. You can turn this into is smoke more than you issue all you want, the facts remain the same. Dont believe me, try not smoking for a day. Bet you stay up a few hours longer than normal.Quote:
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what..? combining weed with exercise is AWESOME.. muscle stretching/exertion feels SO good to me when i'm high.. way better than when i'm not high. not only that, my mind-body connection is greatly enhanced
weed is a drug just like any other, higher doses may not be conducive to certain activities, etc.. and in this case, generally speaking, lower doses of THC tend to go better with physical exercise
Lower doses of thc tend to go better with physical exercise, compared to what??? Compared to not smoking?? Dream on.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14360800 - 04/27/11 02:07 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for your opinion, mush... but that's all it is. Being stoned doesn't just make the calories/energy that your body stores in it's muscles & fat just magically disappear. It also doesn't cause some kind of blockage in your body's ability to use this energy properly. If you have problems working out high, you're just a wuss... or you believe dumbass "weed makes you lazy" propaganda and it goes to your head when you perform. Feeling sleepy has fuck all to do with how much actual physical energy you have stored & ready to release.
Also, cannabis dilates bronchial tubes... tonnes of people on here report performing better cardio-wise under it's influence. Funny how the only scientific fact about how weed affects the body physiologically presented yet in this thread works against your argument.
I'm guessing anyone complaining about how shitty weed makes them physically perform is just out of shape regardless. You really think a guy that worked his way up to a 600lb dead lift is just suddenly going to come up 100lbs short when he tries it stoned? Fuckin c'mon son.
Marijuana is a psychedelic, and psychedelics can amplify thoughts an attitudes.... and positive reinforcement can be HUGE in physical performance. Using a mild psychedelic to put me in the performance zone makes sense to me.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14361361 - 04/27/11 04:17 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Pot is a great tool for working out imo. Waking up and taking a few hits to take the edge off is nice, but don't get too stoned or you'll be lazy.
Get your work out done, then after you've had your day (you can even puff along during your work out if you want, I have, you just can't get too high) chief down. Use pot as a muscle relaxer at the end of the day. It helped my muscles a lot back when I was all into fitness all day everyday.
If you get even a little high before or during a workout you're wasting your time. Ive seen so many threads where people claim getting high before a work out is beneficial. Its fucking not, quit being retarded now people. Fact- Pot WILL make you lazy and WILL rob you of energy. Thats why you smoke afterwards to unwind.
Speak for yourself. I have a tolerance and pot doesn't make me one bit lazy. Alcohol makes me fucking lazy and robs me of my energy, but pot? Nah.
and wasting my time? You're kiddin me. Working out some > None
PS. Don't spout shit as fact, thats hilarious that you think everyone is like you.
Think what you want youre wrong. You can turn this into is smoke more than you issue all you want, the facts remain the same. Dont believe me, try not smoking for a day. Bet you stay up a few hours longer than normal.Quote:
owls said:
what..? combining weed with exercise is AWESOME.. muscle stretching/exertion feels SO good to me when i'm high.. way better than when i'm not high. not only that, my mind-body connection is greatly enhanced
weed is a drug just like any other, higher doses may not be conducive to certain activities, etc.. and in this case, generally speaking, lower doses of THC tend to go better with physical exercise
Lower doses of thc tend to go better with physical exercise, compared to what??? Compared to not smoking?? Dream on.
Do you think I've not been sober or something? 
I stay up till 4 in the morning bro, I don't need to stay up longer than that.
Oh yeah, and weed is awesome with exercise. Taking fat vape hits then going for a run is  and then coming home and taking another vape hit and stretching = 
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14361464 - 04/27/11 04:36 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for your opinion, mush... but that's all it is. Being stoned doesn't just make the calories/energy that your body stores in it's muscles & fat just magically disappear. It also doesn't cause some kind of blockage in your body's ability to use this energy properly. If you have problems working out high, you're just a wuss... or you believe dumbass "weed makes you lazy" propaganda and it goes to your head when you perform. Feeling sleepy has fuck all to do with how much actual physical energy you have stored & ready to release.
Also, cannabis dilates bronchial tubes... tonnes of people on here report performing better cardio-wise under it's influence. Funny how the only scientific fact about how weed affects the body physiologically presented yet in this thread works against your argument.
I'm guessing anyone complaining about how shitty weed makes them physically perform is just out of shape regardless. You really think a guy that worked his way up to a 600lb dead lift is just suddenly going to come up 100lbs short when he tries it stoned? Fuckin c'mon son.
Marijuana is a psychedelic, and psychedelics can amplify thoughts an attitudes.... and positive reinforcement can be HUGE in physical performance. Using a mild psychedelic to put me in the performance zone makes sense to me.
FACT- You raise your blood pressure significantly after smoking. FACT- Anything that does that is counter-productive to a workout. End of story. Dont believe the facts well than thats your delusion. Just like smoking cigarettes before a workout is counter productive. If i said smoking cigarettes before a work out is beneficial, youd tell me im full of shit. Just because this is a pro-drug website doesnt mean im going to let your bullshit over glorifying of the drug's ability fly.
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Also, cannabis dilates bronchial tubes... tonnes of people on here report performing better cardio-wise under it's influence
And tons of people are fucking retarded. Were not talking about a cardio workout anyways (not that the facts change on that either). Read the OP, he is talking about gaining muscle via weightlifting.
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You really think a guy that worked his way up to a 600lb dead lift is just suddenly going to come up 100lbs short when he tries it stoned? Fuckin c'mon son
You really think the guy who dead lifts 600lbs got that strong by always getting high before he lifted? Nice try taking words out of my mouth, i never said you lose strength by working out high. I said you lose stamina and motivation. Let me educate you "son", every time you walk into the gym you're supposed to achieve more than you did the time before. Sorry, your not gonna be able to do that high.
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I'm guessing anyone complaining about how shitty weed makes them physically perform is just out of shape regardless
Im guessing someone who gets high before they workout is a burnout loser who might as well be jerking off in the gym. Ive played sports my whole life, ive been weightlifting since i was 13 yrs old (23 yrs old currently), ive smoked pot for over a decade. Try going to football practice stoned  I can clearly tell you have little knowledge or experience on the subject. You remind me of the kids in highschool who'd join football and leave after a week. Ive never met you and i know im waay stronger.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: CMACD]
#14361466 - 04/27/11 04:37 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks for your opinion, mush... but that's all it is. Being stoned doesn't just make the calories/energy that your body stores in it's muscles & fat just magically disappear. It also doesn't cause some kind of blockage in your body's ability to use this energy properly. If you have problems working out high, you're just a wuss... or you believe dumbass "weed makes you lazy" propaganda and it goes to your head when you perform. Feeling sleepy has fuck all to do with how much actual physical energy you have stored & ready to release.
Also, cannabis dilates bronchial tubes... tonnes of people on here report performing better cardio-wise under it's influence. Funny how the only scientific fact about how weed affects the body physiologically presented yet in this thread works against your argument.
I'm guessing anyone complaining about how shitty weed makes them physically perform is just out of shape regardless. You really think a guy that worked his way up to a 600lb dead lift is just suddenly going to come up 100lbs short when he tries it stoned? Fuckin c'mon son.
Marijuana is a psychedelic, and psychedelics can amplify thoughts an attitudes.... and positive reinforcement can be HUGE in physical performance. Using a mild psychedelic to put me in the performance zone makes sense to me.
agree on everything. well not 100% on the "better performing through dilated bronchial tubes", because i didn't check it up, but it makes sense too. plus i really don't get lazy whatsoever physically. plus joe roegan does it and seems to know a shitload of people who also do.
i agree with the theory that the "weed makes you lazy" propaganda has a placebo effect on people.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: moi]
#14361568 - 04/27/11 04:58 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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seriously Joe Rogan  
Im sure Brock lesnar, GSP, and Anderson Silva all smoke blunts before they train.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14361601 - 04/27/11 05:05 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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Do you think I've not been sober or something?
I stay up till 4 in the morning bro, I don't need to stay up longer than that.
No, but i don't think you have a job.
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Re: Can pot make it harder to gain muscle? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#14361707 - 04/27/11 05:29 PM (2 years, 26 days ago) |
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just do what works for you then and shut the fuck up 
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