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 gooddrugguy
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 Re: No such thing as a bad trip.  [Re: logano]
#9107683 - 10/20/08 11:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, you've never had a bad trip.
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TheGiantGnome13
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 Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: matchbook]
#9107768 - 10/20/08 11:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MATCHBOOK....your my heroooo
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mikedpeach
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: matchbook]
#13294088 - 10/05/10 01:58 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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matchbook I don't usually write in the forum because I don't have much input that has not already been touched on but what you said was simply put right on
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universatile
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: mikedpeach]
#13294100 - 10/05/10 02:01 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I can say that almost every trip I have had since my first 5 or so have been bad trips.
The reason for this is manifold.
I think bad trips are entirely natural and reflective of the state of modern society.
Modern society is pathological. We have now managed to totally destroy the tribal model of living that our psychology is evolved to inhabit.
I view the anxiety that I inevitably experience on a trip as simply a sensitivity to the lack of purpose in modern society, the lack of integration into an intimate group of people that I have known since infancy.
Nuclear families supplanted the tribe for a time, but now even those are largely disbanded, especially in modern Western societies. I grew up as an only child in a single parent household, so of course I am especially sensitive to this lack of integration.
Even if I try to integrate into a group cohesion, I will never achieve the kinship that a tribe would have because I will never be able to build a trust that years upon decades of shared risk builds.
Additionally, our society is based on power structures and manipulations that I find psychedelics make more apparent to witness. At a rave or a group event if I am on psychedelics I feel this divide. These power structures of the drug dealers, promoters, 'rave gangs' as I call them, etc.
Even at a Rainbow Gathering, I noticed that people were all just so desperate for purpose and meaning, and this created a divide. There were some heavy meme wars raging, with the Christian Camp pitted against the Krishna Camp pitted against the Warriors Of Light. On the surface, a bunch of hippies are supposed to be all about love an cooperation, but I find the level of competition to be present. Meta and more psychic, but present.
There is some indications that optimistic people are less realistic and more delusional than pessimists:
http://nymag.com/news/features/17573/
In my eyes, people that do not experience 'bad' or dark trips are the same. They are simply not attuned to the rampant competition and power struggles, the manipulations that primates are prone to, the suffering that mortals are inevitably doomed to endure, and exacerbate through their behaviors.
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phayze
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ive seen houses made of skulls and bones, flames everywhere and a feeling that i was in hell it felt like it lasted forever at the time.afterwards i was ok but believe me that was a bad trip i was sick and the toilet said "you'll be back" when i went back to be sick again the toilet said "i told you so" this trip was part of the fun i had on half a 1000 shroom brew couldnt get the rest down i was glad at the time that i didnt, 
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Subconscious
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: phayze]
#13294552 - 10/05/10 03:39 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I would argue ending up hurt, in jail, or dead would constitue a bad trip.
Sure at a base level everything is just a matter of perspective, and we create "good" and "bad" but in reality nobody views the world THAT objectively.
It is definitly possible to have a bad trip... although I would consider most of what people call "bad" trips uncomfortable trips.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: mikedpeach]
#13294652 - 10/05/10 03:57 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
mikedpeach said:
matchbook I don't usually write in the forum because I don't have much input that has not already been touched on but what you said was simply put right on
 y'all should start a new one...
Peace
-PS
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everyman
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: botha]
#13294737 - 10/05/10 04:09 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
botha said:
i was thinking about it today. usually if ppl get panic attack while on drug then the trip is automatically called bad trip.
but there is a difference between bad trip and casual panic attack - see, panic attack lasts usually not longer than a minute, because when you panic, your body will start to produce adrenaline.. and the more adrenaline is produced it may make you more sober.. so you are able to think even if your like.. under the influence of drug (i usually take low doses, i dont have that problem that i just fall down not givin shit about anything).
oh and.. to me mushrooms arent for tripping. It's a fruit of gods, it will make u smart and high, ffs normal person doesnt enjoy the situation where he cant understand whats happening around him. .. we use shrooms / MJ to understand things better .. right!? But if you're abusing it.. then dont whine that u had a bad trip. (panic attack)... cuz we're been warned about it
"shrooms can help you or kill you" or so.. good luck everybody 
You dont get to decide what shrooms are for.
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: everyman]
#13299010 - 10/06/10 01:26 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: everyman]
#13299495 - 10/06/10 03:04 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't had a bad trip on psycheeeedeealics.
I did have a somewhat scarry one on diphenhydramine, and then convinced myself that some deep ass shit was going on lol. It was while I was on house arrest(actually just really strict probation, but essentially house arrest), so I hadn't seen anyone or done anthing really in like many weeks.
Psychedelics though, have always been great to me. I feel so happy and hilarious. I feel in control. I don't think I could have a bad trip. If feel so real and alive on psychedelics. I have had like 4 annoying/mad/difficult trips though. All because of arguments/annoyances with friends. Nothing serious that ended a friendship, just disagreements.
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thelegend0210
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: smoke dank]
#13300012 - 10/06/10 04:55 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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Well said matchbook, you brought up every point I was thinking. The OP reminds me of a new employee, you know the ones that are cocky and think they know everything. But always find out things the hard way. Anyways, I've had some very intense experiences, I suppose at the time I would call it 'bad', but I always walk away from it glad I did it.
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My level 5 trip report
...After this it became clear to me that, behind the thin veil of the Human ego, all Reality, and this whole life, is a never ending mystical experience. The Universe is but a cosmic being exploring itself, learning about itself and enjoying its own existence through all creatures, and all things, in an infinite dance of Life, and like a fractal tendril you are a minute part of it, and you are All of it...
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peace of mind 1
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: MindGorilla]
#14244093 - 04/05/11 07:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I completely agree with your thoughts on bad trips being completely made up, or simply manifested by the mind.
I consider myself experienced, I've eat every amount from an eighth, to 5.5 grams, to 7 grams, to even 11grams once.
Every single trip was was amazing, and many many times fear has felt like it was coming on.
What you come to realize, at least I did, is that the truth to life is, the terms "Good" and "Bad" are man made points of view. Of course there is logic to killing somebody is obviously doing a bad thing, but thats off topic in this case.
Shrooms are a truly beautiful experience, you begin to understand that all that matters is the exact moment we live, is the only one the matters and exists, the past and the future are irrelevant, and are never true. Being a spritual person may be what helps me through trips.
My last trip was a solo one, and it was only an eighth of veryy potent shrooms, morei ntenset hen some 7g trips I've had. Mind you nobody was home if things went wrong, but having experienced the effects many times before in way higher doses I wasnt worried.
At times I'd think to myself, "I'm stuck here, noone to convey this too", but instantly I broke through, I thought to myself, it is what you make it, if I with all my heart believe something to be true, than it must be so. So any bad feelings that occur, you have to question, is this really what humans call "bad"? What if you take an amazing lesson from it, which almost every trip will.
I begun to realize that our mind and this reality are made up of layers. High dose experienced users may understand. As Jim Morrison said, "Break on through to the other side". There is a point where you use your mind to push through the layers, and there is a moment where in every way, physically, visually, mentally, feel and see yourself break through to the next layer of consciousness, and you then understand that when the walls of our mind are torn down, that everything is infinite, beautiful in every aspect of it's simple existence. The problem is people try to use trips for fun, which they are very fun, but a trip should be used for self realization, a way to knock everybody's ego's out of there soul, because ego is another thing built up by what people claim is "cool", they should be used to have a mind blowing realization, that a higher power exists, as well as our mind being in control of every single thing we see, think and feel.
Sorry for the long post, I just want people to open their eyes, realize we are all one in this mysterious land together, though we exist seperatley, we exist in one another, simultaneously. We are constantly evolving, yet non existent at the same time. And that if you can just trip, and think to yourself, "What is "bad?", what is "Good?", everything just IS," and that in itself is beautiful, if you make it out to be.
Peace, Love everybody. Keep sending those positive vibrations out into space man.
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Subconscious
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Insightful first post, but this is a 2.5 year old thread that has been brought back to life twice now...
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Glayvin
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: Diamonds808]
#14246198 - 04/06/11 04:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Diamonds808 said:
On some 2c-b: My friend completely lost it and (in her own mind) thought that I had sex with this guy she liked and about 10 other guys. While I was trying to calm her down because she was screaming and crying like crazy calling me a slut and running away from me. I would call that a bad trip. It lasted for about an hour till the 2c-b starting wearing off.
I would call that "being immature."
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PrimalSoup
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Re: No such thing as a bad trip. [Re: Glayvin]
#14247320 - 04/06/11 11:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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