Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Myyco.com Penis Envy Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions?
    #14172732 - 03/23/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey folks,

Besides my Ecuador outdoor grow this spring and summer, I am planning an indoor PE grow.  I am having some trouble picking a "tek" if you will.  I am considering a PE monotub (maybe a MSG and maybe automated with a cool mist) grow or a PE tray/block grow in an SGFC. 

If I were to do a monotub or MSG setup, I would plan on using a 64 quart tub. 

If I were to do a tray/block grow in an SGFC, I would use a 105 quart tub.  I would be using 3 14x8x4" trays/blocks.  I have never done a mushroom "block" grow in an SGFC.  I figure the blocks will help utilize surface area more effectively than a straight monotub. 

Part of me wants to play with automated monotubs again.  I had great success last time I used a monotub with a cool mist on timers.  I was reading an automated monotub grow (I think Arika's or something like that) and he used a 200 quart tub.  If I am going to go this route, I will likely use a 105 quart tub.  Getting a tub to be automated isn't really that difficult, it just takes a little time to get it all dialed in.  Last time I used a cool mist every 3 hours.  The cool mist was set up in such a way as to prevent over misting the tub. 

Which of these three alternatives would you suggest as the most viable?  The plain monotub or MSG?  The SGFC with PE mush blocks?  Or an automated version of a monotub or MSG? 

Thanks


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDivinity
Wanderer of Paths
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/17/09
Posts: 2,732
Loc: Iowa
Last seen: 9 years, 6 months
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14172757 - 03/23/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd go for the original monotub. Currently doin a Pe6 grow, which I plan to make a monotub for.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepenhed
spawniac
Male


Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 863
Loc: holding the axis
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14172819 - 03/23/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i have done all of that..when i fruit all sides of block..it drys out about the time 1st flush is trying to finish...lots of small fruits..should have misted more..now fruit top only  and concentrate all energy to one side..my tubs do well also..what sub you use'n

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: penhed]
    #14172840 - 03/23/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was just going to use coir (75%), verm (20%) and gypsum (5%).  I found out last year that using lots of amendments increasing your contaminant rate.  I may consider dropping the coir to 65% and adding 10% coffee grounds. 

Not quite sure what spawn:substrate ratio I will use.  I was thinking of using a 1:2?


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepenhed
spawniac
Male


Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 863
Loc: holding the axis
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14172881 - 03/23/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i use h/poo straw..coir..worm castings..gypsum...worm is better than coffee for me...it has benefical microbes...as does the h/poo which fight of contams..some times i leave out the straw...some verm is fine

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: penhed]
    #14172953 - 03/23/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I love worm casings.  I may add a little, but I really like the boiling water pasteurization technique for coir, verm and gypsum.


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineresiduals
Yo turn my myc up...

Registered: 01/04/11
Posts: 16
Loc: Otown
Last seen: 10 years, 4 months
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14173170 - 03/23/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I vote for the blocks in an automated fc

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleJavadog
Continuing along
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 7,385
Loc: USA Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: residuals]
    #14173291 - 03/23/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

PE does seem to do very well on spongi-blocks.

M11, you might want to try as many different methods as you can.

Blocks and cakes for the SGFC.  Trays for the GH.  Tubs. 

I got nice PE6 fruits from BRF cakes.  I did not get a huge number of
fruits, but these are so dense and heavy.

Good luck,

JD


--------------------
Boyd Rice told my brother that life is a corny pack of freesakes

Myco-tek.org

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14173352 - 03/23/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What about putting a cool mist in the vicinity of a normal monotub or MSG?  Say about 8-10 feet away?  Have the cool mist sorta facing the tub and have it run on a timer? 

I am just gone a lot and can't mist/fan all the time.  The automated systems give me reassurance.


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleuncle_rico
my own worst enemy
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 2,664
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: Javadog]
    #14173363 - 03/23/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hey JDog

Oh !  I've got to chime in on this ...

I have also done PE in bulk cased trays in a SGFC and straight bulk no casing layer monotubs ... Fun ahead for you.

My favorite bulk substrate at the moment: half and half Coir & HorseManure with vermiculite and gypsum thrown in, in good measure.  If I am low on Hpoo and going with a majority of coir, then I include a good couple handfuls of earth worm castings to build it up.  Vermiculite is good ... I even throw in some perlite for fun ... great texture ..

I think this is going to be a fun grow to watch.

automation is good. progress ... technology is good.

I am completely 'passive' energy wise ... natural sunlight, the Tradewinds .... but I still love technology ..


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleJavadog
Continuing along
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 7,385
Loc: USA Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #14173386 - 03/23/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Uncle!

"half and half Coir & HorseManure with vermiculite and gypsum thrown in, in good measure"

This sounds optimal.  (maybe castings anyway)

Fun indeed,

JD


--------------------
Boyd Rice told my brother that life is a corny pack of freesakes

Myco-tek.org

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: Javadog]
    #14173410 - 03/23/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think I am going to go with the plain old mono, maybe an MSG.  I will just run a cool mist near the tub on a schedule (maybe every 3 hours). 

I might consider using some worm castings, but I will have to change my pasteurization technique from simply adding boiling water to coir/verm/gypsum.  I might just pasteurize the worm castings before adding them to the coir/verm/gypsum.


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleuncle_rico
my own worst enemy
Male User Gallery

Registered: 03/28/06
Posts: 2,664
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14173449 - 03/23/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Akira ran his CoolMist 24/7

If I remember correctly, a CoolMist filled with water puts out 70% humidity .... without water they are a pretty good (and quiet) FAE fan.

edit: Akira's CoolMist was plumbed directly into his big tub.


--------------------

Edited by uncle_rico (03/23/11 11:44 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleJavadog
Continuing along
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/03/10
Posts: 7,385
Loc: USA Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: uncle_rico]
    #14173555 - 03/24/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)


M11, I was going to recommend that you use the hot water pasteurization
method anyway.  I just have more faith in it, and one must care for
one's penis(es).  ;0)

Good luck, whichever path you choose.

JD


--------------------
Boyd Rice told my brother that life is a corny pack of freesakes

Myco-tek.org

Edited by Javadog (03/24/11 12:07 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFractalXplora
Grainiack
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/11/06
Posts: 2,494
Loc: UK Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: Javadog]
    #14173617 - 03/24/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

PE does seem to do very well on spongi-blocks.



]

good to know java just finished making two up!


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepenhed
spawniac
Male


Registered: 11/28/10
Posts: 863
Loc: holding the axis
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: FractalXplora]
    #14174248 - 03/24/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup:  and thats how we roll....

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: penhed]
    #14174863 - 03/24/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So I had an idea after a good night's rest...

What if I were to construct a double MSG (monotub shot-gun)?  I would obviously have one larger tub (105 quart) and one smaller tub (64 quart) within the larger.  I could then run a cool mist and an ultrasonic via hoses, etc. into the larger tub.  I would likely have the hoses running towards the top of the larger 105 quart, where they could spill their RH and FAE across the lid of the 64 quart tub inside.  I would likely have the cool mist/ultrasonic run at the same time via timers for about 5 minutes every 3 hours.  I think I would also line the bottom of the larger 105 quart tub with some moderately hydrated perlite (1") in order to capture excess moisture from the cool mist/ultrasonic.  I would place the lamp (6500 K 42 W) on top of the 105 quart tub.  I forgot to mention that there will be about 3" of space between the inside of the 105 quart and the outside of the 64 quart.

This design would prevent any direct misting/fanning by the ultrasonic/coolmist of the 64 quart, which would house my PE.  Instead of plugging the cool mist/ultrasonic directly into the 64 quart, which would give rise to issues of over saturation, under saturation, timing, etc., I could just pump the ultrasonic/cool mist around the 64 quart MSG.  Given that MSGs have 1/4" holes every 2", I think the amount of FAE and RH exchange between the outside of the 105 quart, the outside of the 64 quart and the inside of the 64 quart would be quite sufficient.  The 105 quart would serve as a buffer zone, diminishing the possibility of water loss from the 64 quart. 

I really like automated systems so I haven't given up contemplating them just yet.  This set up would be really easy to make actually.  All I would have to do is drill holes in the 105 quart and hook up my misters and lamp. 

What do you guys think of this design?  Basically the 105 quart serves as a mini green house for the 64 quart. 


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Edited by M11 (03/24/11 10:06 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTrippy_Smurf
Sketchy Mother Fucker
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/14/11
Posts: 2,349
Loc: Smurf Villiage Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: M11]
    #14175978 - 03/24/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Add Viagra to the substrate


--------------------
SECURITY:  READ THIS!


Chef:  Kids, what did I tell you about drugs?
Kids:  There's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college.

How to be a good shroomie    How to grow mushrooms    A collection of good links (may be outdated)    How things should look    How to pass a drug test


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleM11
White Thumb

Registered: 06/14/09
Posts: 1,840
Re: Upcoming PE grow ideas... suggestions? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14176390 - 03/24/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think I am going to go with a plain old monotub. 

Next question.  Should I go with a 64 or 105 quart mono?  I will be using a substrate depth of 5". 

I will only be making 14 quart jars of PE. 

In a 64 quart mono with a 5" total sub/spawn depth, that would equal 23 quarts of substrate.  The sub : spawn ratio would be 1 : 1.6.  This is a pretty low sub:spawn ratio, which would have the advantage of colonizing faster. 

In a 105 quart mono with a 5" spawn/sub depth, it would be 39 quarts of substrate for a spawn : sub ratio of 1 : 2.8.  This is closer to your traditional 1:4 ratio. 

Do you think the potentially faster colonization time of the 64 quart would be worthwhile?  Or should I just move up to the 105 quart?  Would the 105 be that much slower than the 64?


--------------------
Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
-RR

Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy.
-RR

Outdoor Patch

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Myyco.com Penis Envy Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Mushroom-Hut Substrate Mix   MagicBag.co Certified Organic All-In-One Grow Bags   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* grow room suggestions XAZIA 2,246 14 12/07/01 10:34 AM
by XAZIA
* Your ideas on my ideas on terrarium setup Anonymous 2,429 8 09/03/02 04:15 PM
by seattlekid
* An introduction and Mazapatec mono grow log
( 1 2 3 4 all )
grow4fun 6,192 73 04/21/18 08:54 AM
by grow4fun
* Re: Ultrasonic Humidifier setup suggestions/variations? Anonymous 1,066 2 05/15/00 03:00 PM
by vts1134
* an idea, need feed back aluminum_can 1,129 11 07/19/01 09:52 PM
by MindQuester
* Newb to growing.. Need a few helpful suggestions Cryptic 1,246 10 10/12/02 08:26 AM
by aeonblue
* PES Hawaiian - Opinions? Experiences?
( 1 2 3 all )
Peace_Patrol 15,020 52 11/22/20 10:13 AM
by bodhisatta
* A terarium/casing idea The_Mushroom_God 593 2 05/03/02 05:38 AM
by esin

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
2,385 topic views. 23 members, 98 guests and 48 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 14 queries.