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 Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii)  [Re: MonkeyKnifeFight]
#14013606 - 02/23/11 03:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Completely agree. Second flush from this block fruited in a regular SGFC and all musrooms were half inch long, with very thick stems and small caps. Unfortunately I didn't take pictures of the first flush before they fell, they were very pretty.
I guess it may be different for wild clones, but these cultivars are practically made to be long and thin. Wild F. velutipes looks nothing like them.
King oysters are great, really easy and fast growing. But I can't say they're my favorite mushroom to eat. They are really firm, bordering on tough sometimes, and don't really have a distinctive taste. But they're amazing for frying or mixing with other mushrooms in dishes. I'd recommend them to everyone as the first edible grow, much better than ostreatus for indoor grow.
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14013723 - 02/23/11 03:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wonderful team of species there Tangich. How are you liking the king oysters? I'm thinking about getting some enoki started, but i'm debating between trying the more natural style vs the elongated neck with the higher CO2 content. Any thoughts on that? They all look so tasty. 
'Natural style' enoki is a total pain in the ass. The entire blocks gets covered in tiny caps and harvesting is a a drag. Plus you end up tearing the block apart scraping all the caps off. There is a reason people grow them to have long stems. It makes them very easy to harvest and deal with.
awesome info MKF. That clarifies some things for me. Now i'll look towards the more elongated cap promoting methods.
Tangich also more useful info. I believe you. Don't need any pictures.  I'm wondering if changing the substrates might have an effect on the firmness of the flesh or perhaps that's more strain specific? mmmm now i'm hungry again
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Alkaloids]
#14024037 - 02/25/11 07:14 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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My little babies are starting to grow!!! 
Notice how the sawdust is still brown, the mycelium is extremely thin and almost invisible.
BTW, this is Agrocybe aegerita wild clone, originally found growing on an old aspen tree in the center of my town.
    
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14024285 - 02/25/11 09:55 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking good! 
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Alkaloids
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14026545 - 02/25/11 07:09 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That bag looks great tangich.  How long did that take to colonize?
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Tangich
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Alkaloids]
#14028851 - 02/26/11 05:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks guys!
I can't really remember, but it did take a while, maybe two weeks or so. And I left it for another two or three weeks, so that mycelium gets a little stronger, before I put it in the FC.
But the fruits are growing fast, they are twice the size now.
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14041834 - 02/28/11 02:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here are some pictures from yesterday. I harvested them today, nothing spectacular, but they are a very pretty mushroom, and I got a few sporeprints from them.
    
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 Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14046402 - 03/01/11 02:35 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow! I had to look twice at your substrate to figure out what is going on there. You weren't kidding...the mycelium is hardly showing. I initially thought the brown matter on top was casing. But it seems like from your post its just the sawdust substrate. Am I right in this assumption?
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Tangich
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: BlueLightRain]
#14046474 - 03/01/11 02:55 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's right. The parts still in the bag have some whitish spots, but the part exposed to air is still fully brown.
Has anyone else noticed this with piopinos? Or do usually colonize the block normally?
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14047770 - 03/01/11 12:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's right. The parts still in the bag have some whitish spots, but the part exposed to air is still fully brown.
Has anyone else noticed this with piopinos? Or do usually colonize the block normally?
In my experience they colonize the block normally then start to get dark spots as they get a little older.
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: MonkeyKnifeFight]
#14049305 - 03/01/11 05:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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great looking cluster there.
MKF thanks for that. Starting with agrocybe aegerita now and all this is great info.
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Alkaloids]
#14090847 - 03/09/11 06:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update on the outdoor enokis! 
This block (4 quart sawdust + gypsum + pint of colonized millet) refused to fruit indoors so I threw it outside in a thrash bag, sprayed it every few days and here are the results! Pictures speak a 1000 words, so here you go!
The oak log in the background is waiting for dowels to be ready. I've got 4 of them, same sized, freshly cut, one each for Shiitake 75, Pleurotus ostreatus, piopino and lion's mane.
        
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14091771 - 03/09/11 12:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stately! Two questions: where did you get your enoki strain from and if you are making prints, may I have one?
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: BlueLightRain]
#14092854 - 03/09/11 04:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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They look so much larger than your petite supermarket variety!! Is this standard for more wild enoki strains? Or is it just unrestricted growing conditions? Really great and delicious work!!
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: NSF]
#14092915 - 03/09/11 04:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks!
I think it's the growing conditions, look at my first post, those are the same strain, but they were grown in a closed container indoors, and were very tall and thin. I must say, I like them better this way!
@BlueLightRain - I got the culture from a member here, I didn't intend to take prints from these, they were grown outside in a bag with others blocks some of which got moldy, and I doubt the prints would be clean. I'll try to squeeze another flush from that indoor block and take some prints! 
But now I don't know what to do with these. Does anyone eat them? How do you prepare them? I don't care for them raw...
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14093215 - 03/09/11 05:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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But now I don't know what to do with these. Does anyone eat them? How do you prepare them? I don't care for them raw...
The only enokis I've had came in little packages from Korea. I sauteed them and they were still very chewy. Can probably be used great for stews or as a compliment to vegetables and chicken. I know someone who ate them raw, and subsequently threw up.
As far as prints go...something is better than nothing! If you grab some from the next batch please put me on your list. I have the flexibility to make as many transfers as necessary until I get a pure culture. I got some enoki spores awhile back and made a bunch of multi-spore plates and transferred them out. None of them grew remotely vigorous and gave up on the project  .
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, rungi) [Re: Tangich]
#14093479 - 03/09/11 06:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tangich said:
Update on the outdoor enoki!
This block (4 quart sawdust + gypsum + pint of colonized millet) refused to fruit indoors so I threw it outside in a thrash bag, sprayed it every few days and here are the results! Pictures speak a 1000 words, so here you go!
The oak log in the background is waiting for dowels to be ready. I've got 4 of them, same sized, freshly cut, one each for Shiitake 75, Pleurotus ostreatus, piopino and lion's mane.
 super dude, inspirational!
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, rungi) [Re: FractalXplora]
#14093662 - 03/09/11 07:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I quite like their flavor. The risk is that they are very easy to overcook. I made some brothy vegetable soup and added them right at the end. You can almost use them like sprouts or something. But if you overcook them they become kind of chewy. No matter what they are a very delicate flavor.
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Re: Some of my recent projects (shiitake, enoki, oysters, eryngii) [Re: Tangich]
#14097207 - 03/10/11 01:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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The few times i've had enoki's from a store i either used them in soup or i chopped them very fine and lightly sauteed them before adding them to other stuff. I find them to be a bit on the sweet side as far as fungus goes, but i haven't tried all that many species yet either.
They look great. Cool to see them just do their own thing with a little less attention. Very nice
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