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I use my grocery store cheap brand, roundy's I think, and its worked great. Just takes long to get the seed water running clear.
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jimmyjame1
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i tried wbs and my jars didn't work at all
I had the same problem, my lc wouldn't even take to the wbs...
I found that it really depends on the moisture content.
and IMO bacterial contam is harder to see on wbs
I still perfer wbs overall so far
how long do you soak to get preferable mosture
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jimmyjame1 said: how long do you soak to get preferable mosture
Soak four hours, simmer ten mins, strain in wire strainer with occasional 'fluffing' until it cools to room temp.
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 Re: wbs brand question.  [Re: Doc_T]
#12291397 - 03/29/10 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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After simmering, I rinse well with hot water then strain until it stops dripping. After that I dump the grains out on a big thick bath towel on the counter and spread them out and let them dry, occasionally fluffing/stirring.
Usually give them about 15-20 minutes to air dry, then load and cook.
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A 20 minute simmer, a 30 minute drain, and you're good. That's just to keep it simple. As long as you let it drain properly you shouldn't have a problem regardless of what steps you take beforehand as long as you hydrate. Also be sure to use foil so water doesn't get in to your jars while pc'ing. If that doesn't work get some spores off of a sponsor and try again. I recommend sporeworks as their the only one I've tried and had excellent service.
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AFOAF used to soak for 24 hours, sometimes more, and would still have very low moisture content in the WBS.
NOW, he just boils a pot of water, and adds it to a bucket of WBS.
He lets it soak for 30 minutes and then drains it, which takes a couple hours.
Then he PC's it.
The WBS gets fully hydrated and works very well this way.
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teesionbear said:
AFOAF used to soak for 24 hours, sometimes more, and would still have very low moisture content in the WBS.
NOW, he just boils a pot of water, and adds it to a bucket of WBS.
He lets it soak for 30 minutes and then drains it, which takes a couple hours.
Then he PC's it.
The WBS gets fully hydrated and works very well this way.
I was gona try that method.
Years ago, when I would do a soak it would re-hydrate in 12-24 hours, now I let it soak and rarly does it rehydrate.... proper moisture is essential for good spawn, and I'm re learning this the hard way.
BTW, has anyone ever used Triticale grains?
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Re: wbs brand question. [Re: cyanara]
#12292407 - 03/29/10 01:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use the 40lb-$8 bag... works fine... no difference, except for the intense washing you will have to do... expect to spend 30 minutes at least washing about 18 cups worth of these mother fuckers...
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koopa_troopa
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I do a similar method to those mentioned above... fill a pc up with water w/o the lid ofcourse and let it reach almost boiling then dump pre rinsed birdseed in.. I think rinsing it before hand makes it easier to get most of the junk off and instead isnt soaking in the dirty ass water.. That way I can use that water to make LCs with and using less malt/dex and have noticed much faster colonization times when injected to spawn bags filled with wbs. It helps the mycellium acclimate to the grains which causes them to begin developing the enzymes which they use to colonize and break down the wbs, giving the LC mycellium a "head start" so to speak.
I take the PC pot off the stove once it almost reaches boiling then dump the WBS in. I only remove a little less than half the sunflower seeds bc they are actually nutritionally beneficial esp the lipids they contain. I let the WBS sit for a few hrs. After doing a good drain I spread them out in a thin layer on a clean towel then blow dry them for 10 minutes or so. I believe this step would really help those that have had trouble with wbs since its size makes it hard to entirely drain. I honestly dont see how so many have problems with grains, its really about as simple as it gets, much less hastle than pasteurizing manure. Well until I picked up one of those large ass trash cans from lowes, a few grill inserts of a diameter close to that of the can and a wagner power steamer, drill a hole near the bottom of the can and stick the end of the steamer half way into it. Now all I have to do is take my poo, get it to field capacity, load in turkey bags or spawn bags and seal, put the lid on and turn the steamer on a 4hr timer and come back the next day or later that evening and the poos ready to go, still perfect moisture content, no mess no checking temps no clean up, just good to go and can be stored in a fridge for a good while. The trash can can hold up to 12 bags easily at a time if you make 3 layers with 3 charcoal grill inserts, and each bag contains 4 qrts a poo each which makes 48 qts at a time set it and forget it! And the best part about it is that if you use spawn bags to pasteurize them then all you have to do is cut them open drop some spawn in and reseal.. viola got shrooms in a few weeks.. doesnt get much easier than that my friends 
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Or you can buy a 40LB bag or was it 50LB bag of wheat berries from whole foods for $20 (it was supposed to be $40 but whatever).
You know that is organic. Other then that I would go with what the pro recommends. Also if the spores didn't work it could be to not preparing the grain right. It isn't exactly black and white. I recommend PC'ing grains for 2 hours and make sure to have enough water in them to sort of break open the kernels a little.
Remember, every medium is slightly different. It isn't exact black and white as following a tech.
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Re: wbs brand question. [Re: iluvfungi]
#12383161 - 04/13/10 04:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I used the last of my Bird Basic, did 6 cups rinsed in hot water and then soaked. Now instead of removing the sunflower seed right away, I let them soak overnight before removing them.
I don't know if its the fats in them or the fact that I didn't do as much grain or that it was in a bowl rather than a bucket, maybe even the waters temp/PH.
Whaterver the water seemed to get that rusty color that lets you know that it's ready.
After the 24 soak, I used noobs tek with the boiling soak, followed by a thorough wash with warm water, after letting it drip, i hit it with a hair dryer.. Moistur seems good, not overly wet and grain was dry enough not to stick to my hands and separate..
After a 90 minute PC run and shaking I noticed a little water pooling at the bottom. I hope that is normal and that it will reabsorbe and that my water content isn't fucked...
Let me know and I'll keep you posted, gona knock em up with agar of a slow growing extremly potent B+
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Re: wbs brand question. [Re: cyanara]
#12424314 - 04/20/10 02:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol whats this noobs tek you are referring to? If you hit it with a hair dryer before loading I see no reason whatsoever as to why you would experience pooling of excess water at the bottom of your jars.. unless your lids were loose or you let the pressure drop to fast after PCing.. if this is a common prob with your grain process I would suggest that you start adding a 1/4-1/2 inch of dry verm to the bottom of your jars to wick up any excess moisture
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koopa_troopa said:
...I think rinsing it before hand makes it easier to get most of the junk off and instead isnt soaking in the dirty ass water.. That way I can use that water to make LCs with and using less malt/dex and have noticed much faster colonization times when injected to spawn bags filled with wbs...
Clarification question: the water that you use in making liquid cultures, where does that water come from? Is it from the initial rinsing, or is it from the PC, whose water you had boiling?
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Re: wbs brand question. [Re: shubrick]
#13839667 - 01/24/11 12:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I any water that I intend on using as 'clean' water, I stick on a PC at psi for at least 60 minutes, or at very least boil it for 60 minutes.
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Re: wbs brand question. [Re: c1dh3d]
#13840001 - 01/24/11 01:47 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am wondering if you missed my question. The poster was using water that had some contact with the wbs so that when making an LC the mycelium can start creating enzymes that are matches to the WBS.
That's an interesting idea that i'd like clarified.
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shubrick
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I'd like to keep following up on this for clarity sake. My questions:
#1, Does the water used for the liquid cultures comes from the initial rinse (that removes the "junk") or does it come from the PC after the heated soak? My hunch is that it's the latter...
#2, I'm adding this questions, because it's probably more important than the first, which is: does using the water that the grains have been soaked (or rinsed) with encourage mycelium growth?
Thanks all...
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I do a similar method to those mentioned above... fill a pc up with water w/o the lid ofcourse and let it reach almost boiling then dump pre rinsed birdseed in.. I think rinsing it before hand makes it easier to get most of the junk off and instead isnt soaking in the dirty ass water.. That way I can use that water to make LCs with and using less malt/dex and have noticed much faster colonization times when injected to spawn bags filled with wbs. It helps the mycellium acclimate to the grains which causes them to begin developing the enzymes which they use to colonize and break down the wbs, giving the LC mycellium a "head start" so to speak.
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