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It's no different then people believing in god is a way of life. Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like your being judgmental here towards people who consider tripping a way of life. It really is no different then someone who believes strongly in god. Consider tripping as a mass. Also drugs and religion have gone hand in hand since the beginning of time. So your asking us why now I'm asking you why not?
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to further address op's points, i don't think most people look at psychedelics as a magic bullet. i certainly don't.
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Re: Terence Mckenna [Re: millzy]
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to further address op's points, i don't think most people look at psychedelics as a magic bullet. i certainly don't.
You would be surprised how many people do. Especially if you live over here in the far-west of the continental United States.
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this is a very broad statement, but i tend to see viewpoints like the ones you're describing from the younger, less experienced crowd. but admittedly, i'd say the vast majority of people who use psychedelics are young unless you consider ayahuasca.
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to further address op's points, i don't think most people look at psychedelics as a magic bullet. i certainly don't.
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lol, am i wrong in my assumption? i guess so.
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
I'm curious why you're building up this straw man argument.
Nearly every psychedelic enthusiast advocates a balanced approach to their consumption which includes integrating the experience into daily life.
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
I'm curious why you're building up this straw man argument.
Nearly every psychedelic enthusiast advocates a balanced approach to their consumption which includes integrating the experience into daily life.
Thats a pretty sweeping generalization of a whole entire sub culture. That my friend sounds a lot more like a straw man argument, my good sir, than mine.
To back up my point again...There is a lot of people who become overly dependent on psychedelic's to cope with every day life and form a basis of living of off a common bond they experience with these alternative sages, if you will. My arguement was why does this happen. Certainly these drugs are good for expanding your mind and doing some self learning, but they are not and shouldn't be the principles and stones that you build your life around. Like all good parties eventually it has to come to and end and when it does, What will you have to show for it? How will you cope and manage?
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I find Alan Watts far more enjoyable to listen to.
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We go from from McKenna, to Alan watts, to Maharshi, and finally to our ownself.
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
I'm curious why you're building up this straw man argument.
Nearly every psychedelic enthusiast advocates a balanced approach to their consumption which includes integrating the experience into daily life.
Thats a pretty sweeping generalization of a whole entire sub culture. That my friend sounds a lot more like a straw man argument, my good sir, than mine.
To back up my point again...There is a lot of people who become overly dependent on psychedelic's to cope with every day life and form a basis of living of off a common bond they experience with these alternative sages, if you will. My arguement was why does this happen. Certainly these drugs are good for expanding your mind and doing some self learning, but they are not and shouldn't be the principles and stones that you build your life around. Like all good parties eventually it has to come to and end and when it does, What will you have to show for it? How will you cope and manage?
I agree that my generalization was pretty sweeping, and I stand by it.
I see that people who are advocates for psychedelics typically fall into several different categories of behavior, all of which are balanced in some way.
These categories include characters like the West-Coast Gypsy who dances and plays guitar by night, reads tarot cards by day, and has a vast network of family with whom joy and pain are shared. Or the 9-5 office employee who goes to festivals a few times a year and grows mushrooms in his closet. Then you've got the college kids who are learning about their minds and the world while tripping from time to time, perhaps reading a book or two by Rick Strassman or Drs. Mckenna.
The point is, very few people are falling through the cracks into a disillusioned state (sure people go through phases, but they quickly learn that tripping every other day has diminishing returns).
As much as I enjoy his books, the Dr. Thompson quote from the OP was in my opinion an eloquent, yet cynical indictment of Leary and his followers that ultimately did not prove true.
There was no crisis of acid casualties left roaming the streets, plagueing generations X & Y with the responsibility of caring for their mental health.
There is no straw man in my argument, my argument is that there is no problem.
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
I'm curious why you're building up this straw man argument.
Nearly every psychedelic enthusiast advocates a balanced approach to their consumption which includes integrating the experience into daily life.
Thats a pretty sweeping generalization of a whole entire sub culture. That my friend sounds a lot more like a straw man argument, my good sir, than mine.
To back up my point again...There is a lot of people who become overly dependent on psychedelic's to cope with every day life and form a basis of living of off a common bond they experience with these alternative sages, if you will. My arguement was why does this happen. Certainly these drugs are good for expanding your mind and doing some self learning, but they are not and shouldn't be the principles and stones that you build your life around. Like all good parties eventually it has to come to and end and when it does, What will you have to show for it? How will you cope and manage?
escapism. plain and simple. people fall prey easily to new age world views and the thrill of getting high or the power of the experience. honestly, and i'm sure i'll get flack for this, i have never encountered the level of dogmatism, including religious fundamentalists, that i have with my experience with the ayahuasca community, and the bitter irony of it makes me sometimes even doubt the validity of my own experience, which has changed the course of my thinking. i even see this coming from gurus like dennis mckenna, who is far more legitimate than his late brother imo.
the best advice i can offer is that ultimately, what you take away from your experiences is yours, and there are stupid people everywhere, and the more you choose to ignore them and find your own truth, the better off you'll be.
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Re: Terence Mckenna [Re: millzy]
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escapism. plain and simple. people fall prey easily to new age world views and the thrill of getting high or the power of the experience. honestly, and i'm sure i'll get flack for this, i have never encountered the level of dogmatism, including religious fundamentalists, that i have with my experience with the ayahuasca community
How so? Would you mind elaborating with some examples?
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The psychedelic experience cannot be confined to boxy paradigms or pre-packaged in attractive ideologies. More than anything it's a personal experience with reality, the Self, the Mystery, your perceptions - whatever you chose to call the phenomenology. For this reason the experience itself bears little resemblance to any cohesive account or interpretation of what "life" means.
There will be guides, gurus, quacks, prophets, assholes, and fools who periodically spring up and profess some advanced insight into the experience. Like everything else, you take it with a grain of salt for what it's worth.
No one is hiding from the fact that the psychedelic subculture in modernity has evolved to become a community of sorts. The difference is instead of erecting illusions, norms, static values and totem poles to worship, most of us are content with an adoration of the ineffable.
McKenna happens to be one fella among many who phrased this in beautiful language.
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in answer to decypher, i have a lot of respect for the amazonian cultures that have pioneered the technology that is ayahuasca, but at the same time, i don't see how imitating them within my own cultural paradigm is of any use to me beyond the novelty aspect of it. i think we need to develop our own sets of tools and practices to deal with whatever it is that we're dealing with, and yet i've personally encountered people who try to diminish the validity of any sort of ceremony that doesn't adhere to the amazonian set of standards, including even the way the medicine is made. my one experience thus far has been with what some would label as "pharma", but is reportedly vastly more powerful than the traditional brew. which is neither here nor there, but when i have someone telling me that what i went through wasn't as valid as their experience because i wasn't in the amazon having icaros sung to me, it makes me bristle. it's highly insulting and alienating, and ultimately it led me to finding my own conclusions on the matter.
and personally, i'm uncomfortable with the whole "plant spirits" lingo and the ideology behind it. i think the questions that ayahuasca brings to the table are bigger than superficial details like that.
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Re: Terence Mckenna [Re: millzy]
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First off it is nice to read a thread where people disagree but still show respect and refrain from attacking one another. 
I find that psychedelics are what you make them, if to you they are a fun way to spend the weekend then thats what you will get out of them. I personally use psychedelics as a tool to explore inner space, I believe they are great for insight, and i have found them to allow me to be more open minded. I simply believe that spirituality lies within every single person and that psychedelics are just a great way to access that.
--"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciseness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death and we are the imagination of ourselves"
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
I'm curious why you're building up this straw man argument.
Nearly every psychedelic enthusiast advocates a balanced approach to their consumption which includes integrating the experience into daily life.
Thats a pretty sweeping generalization of a whole entire sub culture. That my friend sounds a lot more like a straw man argument, my good sir, than mine.
To back up my point again...There is a lot of people who become overly dependent on psychedelic's to cope with every day life and form a basis of living of off a common bond they experience with these alternative sages, if you will. My arguement was why does this happen. Certainly these drugs are good for expanding your mind and doing some self learning, but they are not and shouldn't be the principles and stones that you build your life around. Like all good parties eventually it has to come to and end and when it does, What will you have to show for it? How will you cope and manage?
It is simply your own opinion that someone should not use psychedelics as a building block in their life. Who cares what people want to do with their own life. Because like you said, it all comes to an end one day. So why not do what you want to do in this life??? Why not have as much crazy fun as you can, while finding out who you are, and living a much more loving, compassionate life?
What will I have to show for it? Do you mean money? Do you mean little pieces of paper? Why not have experience of fantastic magnitudes instead??? That's how I'll cope. I will try new things until I'm dead. And after that? Who knows, that's another story.
I wish I could vocalize my thoughts as well as Alan Watts and Terence Mckenna. I like both of them. Also Eckhart Tolle.
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
I'm curious why you're building up this straw man argument.
Nearly every psychedelic enthusiast advocates a balanced approach to their consumption which includes integrating the experience into daily life.
Thats a pretty sweeping generalization of a whole entire sub culture. That my friend sounds a lot more like a straw man argument, my good sir, than mine.
To back up my point again...There is a lot of people who become overly dependent on psychedelic's to cope with every day life and form a basis of living of off a common bond they experience with these alternative sages, if you will. My arguement was why does this happen. Certainly these drugs are good for expanding your mind and doing some self learning, but they are not and shouldn't be the principles and stones that you build your life around. Like all good parties eventually it has to come to and end and when it does, What will you have to show for it? How will you cope and manage?
It is simply your own opinion that someone should not use psychedelics as a building block in their life. Who cares what people want to do with their own life. Because like you said, it all comes to an end one day. So why not do what you want to do in this life??? Why not have as much crazy fun as you can, while finding out who you are, and living a much more loving, compassionate life?
What will I have to show for it? Do you mean money? Do you mean little pieces of paper? Why not have experience of fantastic magnitudes instead??? That's how I'll cope. I will try new things until I'm dead. And after that? Who knows, that's another story.
I wish I could vocalize my thoughts as well as Alan Watts and Terence Mckenna. I like both of them. Also Eckhart Tolle.
im not talking about money or a house. Im talking about your legacy. How will people remember you. What did you do in life. does the good out way the bad? my personal opinion is that we all have defferent journeys in life. and my goal is to have done more good than harm before i die. I want to make some small difference even to one person in a positive way. we should all have our passions and goals. My dream is to one day do something that will help out my town. be it something small such as a new playground, or doing something great like changing or creating a policy that helps out many or to feed the local poor. something that people will remember me by that i can feel good about and helps people or people enjoy for decades after i die.
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