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 Compaq12986
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#13789807 - 01/15/11 03:03 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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SO i've been thinking alot lately after watching fear and loathing in las vegas. Thompson brings up a pretty good point. Alot of you treat tripping like a religion and Terence Mckenna as a god or your god. I see alot of post that say well he said this or he said that about this thing. I believe psychedillics can help you be more open to somethings, but thats about it. They are not a cure all and won't fix every problem society has.
The discussion i want to hear is why some of you act this way.
I'll end it with my view so there's no confusion about how i feel. I think they can be usefull because it can get rid of your ego so that you can see things about yourself that others can, but you can't. I believe this is really powerful. But I also believe that by merely taking drugs you wont be made into some kind of modern guru or anything. I believe because maybe that your a little bit more open that you'd be willing to look at theories and subjects that wouldn't interest you or you'd have a difficult time understanding like metaphysics or quantum physics, but thats about it.
That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary’s trip. He crashed around America selling ‘consicousness expansion’ without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him too seriously . . . All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create . . . a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody—or at least some force—is tending the Light at the end of the tunnel.”
—Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, 1971
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Like T.M. said: "If someone with argument could do what DMT does to you, why you'd embrace it in a hurry".
I think it's easy to get carried away by the psychedelic wave because it is so intense
Part of why it seems more real than sober reality is that moments overlap on top of each other and we get to experience more at the same time
What happens in that psychic environment of enhancement can be very convincing
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Psychedelic use in some sort of Religious way I think is not a good thing, that is where the 1960's LSD revolution went wrong.
As my signature says, LSD is just a tool.
Also I notice you marked this post as related to LSD, Mckenna was not much of a fan of LSD, he said Psilocybin was much better. It's unfortunate I think Mckenna didn't like LSD much, he could have written some great stuff on it.
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Compaq12986
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I just randomly picked a random thing
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That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary’s trip. He crashed around America selling ‘consicousness expansion’ without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him too seriously . . . All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create . . . a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody—or at least some force—is tending the Light at the end of the tunnel.”
—Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, 1971
One of the best quotes in the book. But bear in mind that Thompson ended up committing suicide, so he may not have been the happiest man in the world when he wrote that.
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 Re: Terence Mckenna [Re: deCypher]
#13790121 - 01/15/11 06:39 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I don't see McKenna as a God, but when listening to his lectures I find myself agreeing with 90% of what he's got to say. So I enjoy listening to him and I feel I've got a lot in common with him.
I would never compare him to Leary though. He's a lot more responsible than Leary. Terence wanted to keep things low key, and just for those who were called to psychedelics.
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The reason we do listen to Terence Mckenna and other verbalizing minds is simply because they believe what we believe. They have also, very likely, been further than us so it is almost like a guide. He is no different than many shroomerites here; the difference is that he took action and went around and actually spoke about this to the public.
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A god? No. A man who knew more about a subject than I do, yes.
People listen to mckenna the same way people listen to RR in mushroom cultivation.
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Re: Terence Mckenna [Re: mukhail]
#13790172 - 01/15/11 07:00 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mukhail said:
A god? No. A man who knew more about a subject than I do, yes.
People listen to mckenna the same way people listen to RR in mushroom cultivation.
This. If anything, Alan Watts has more to offer than Terence Mckenna 
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there is only one remarkable thing that TM said, which bugs me, because I find it to have a place on the scale, even though it's only one man's words
he said that his brother Dennis was without a doubt telepathic during those weird weeks in the amazon in 1971 after a feast of shrooms and aya
he included an example in his book True Hallucinations
Dennis imitated and quoted a woman TM had been alone with.
Something about underpants, that's all I remember now.
But it was very specific.
I don't think TM would lie.
I think he told Dennis about the woman and the underpants.
in any case
2012 obviously bs
DMT elves living in dmt space as autonomous entities... who knows, but why should this "place" be different from the places visited on other psychs
shroom munching monkey might be a bit better at surviving because of improved sight and edge detection on low doses, but it cannot account for a boom in evolution
longer lives means less mutations and less evolution
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
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Terence McKenna was an incredible and insightful human being. Is he a god figure that is incapable of mistakes and delusions? Of course not, Terence Mckenna is a popular figure as he was honest, responsible and highly intelligent. I don't think he's perfect but I find many of his critical evaluations of the world to be very insightful. Also if you are familiar with the progression of his theories, he never claims to know the answers and without hesistation denounces his previous ideas once he has found evidence to disprove them. This selfless in philosophy and research has in my opinion made him an invaluable resource for new ideas and example of how to think beyond the constraints of society and culture.
However, I do disagree with some of his work, if I didn't, I've have a problem.
Also McKenna > Leary in my opinion.
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
Because this is a site primarily devoted to demystifying MAGIC MUSHROOMS. 
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TM is not a god to me. Also - Tim Leary was an idiot.
Anyway - TM does a good job of conveying some of the benefits of things like ego destruction and the ability to experience different levels of consciousness and getting closer to a universal consciousness.
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mukhail said:
A god? No. A man who knew more about a subject than I do, yes.
People listen to mckenna the same way people listen to RR in mushroom cultivation.
This. If anything, Alan Watts has more to offer than Terence Mckenna
What is a good reference document on Alan Watts?
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A god? No. A man who knew more about a subject than I do, yes.
People listen to mckenna the same way people listen to RR in mushroom cultivation.
This. If anything, Alan Watts has more to offer than Terence Mckenna
What is a good reference document on Alan Watts?
Om, The Sound of Hinduism
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I think the only things I can really agree with Hunter S Thompson on is the 'illusion' of drug use and how it really gets you almost no where, or atleast not where you thought you where going to be when you started. Hunters politics to me where rubbish.
I agree with some of the things Terrance Mckenna said. I like how he was alot more low-key and told people to think for themselves (Nobody is Smarter Than You Are).
I cant recall anything I agree with Leary on off the top of my head.
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Re: Terence Mckenna [Re: deCypher]
#13791914 - 01/15/11 03:00 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Let me pose this question why do so many of you believe that tripping is a way of life or the solution to the worlds problems?
Because this is a site primarily devoted to demystifying MAGIC MUSHROOMS.
Because you totally ignored the point i posed.
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alan watts is great. pretty sure you can find his lectures online somewhere. "out of your mind" is an excellent one.
i haven't read any mckenna (on the list), but i have listened to hours of his lectures. i look at his stuff as more philosophical entertainment than anything. just like watts really. i think the main thing that deserves reverence is the imaginations of these truly remarkable people. i don't think any one person will ever have all the pieces of the puzzle, and i think that's the problem with these so called psychedelic gurus whose opinions a lot of people put so much stock into. guy's like robert anton wilson purposely puts bullshit into his stuff as a joke because, well frankly he was a bad ass. i suspect mckenna may have done the same thing. speaking personally i try to not just readily swallow everything someone tells me.
as far as religious experiences go, living is the religious experience.
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is simply because they believe what we believe.
or do we want to believe what they believe.
not everyone is sincere to themselves ya know.
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