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 tarfoh
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 Question about bulking and transferring to trays 
#13723476 - 01/03/11 07:26 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello all. This is my first post ever on the forums, so i'd like to start by saying that from lots of reading and research, the members on this forum seem to be extremely educated, kind, and helpful. With that being said, I have a question about my first "bulk" grow. I am planning on inoculating around 10 (rye berry) quart jars with golden teacher spores in the next day or two. After this has colonized, I am planning to transfer it to aluminum or plastic trays (tray size yet to be determined). Assuming that all goes well and everything successfully colonizes, I am planning on growing the trays out in my shotgun terrarium. In light of this, I have a few questions.
First, what is the best substrate to use for the grain transfer? I do not want to use hpoo due to my inexperience of growing, as well as the inability to acquire it (I live in a city and do not have a car).
Next, are there any general ratios of colonized rye berries to bulk substrates that I can follow, regardless of tray size? Do I need to add gypsum or case with 50/50?
Thank you in advance for any information that you can provide.
Additionally, I am currently in the consolidation phase of my first grow ever. I did 12 treasure coast pf cakes. 9 of them grew perfectly w/out contams, and 3 did not grow at all, however I consider this relatively successful considering it is my first grow. I will keep everyone posted on the cakes and perhaps post some pics once they fruit! Thanks.
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: tarfoh]
#13723550 - 01/03/11 08:15 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey mate,
Use this: http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir
Coir and vermiculite are easy to get.
You can follow the method in the link or you can use it to make trays. If you make trays then start by making a layer of the coir and verm mix on the bottom. Then you make a layer of grain over the layer of coir/verm. Repeat the process until you reach the top but make sure your final layer is coir/verm.
Wrap the trays in aluminium foil and poke about 6 tiny holes in the top for gas exchange and leave in a dark cupboard or something for about 2 weeks (until the mycelium has reached the top of your trays and there are no uncolonised patches). Once they have finished then you can put them into fruiting conditions.
In regards with gypsum, you can add some to your grain whilst it's soaking. It'll help stop the grain sticking together which makes your jars easier to shake.
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: migraineur]
#13723589 - 01/03/11 08:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sweet. Thanks for the fast response mate. I have one final question. After my trays are all colonized, do I soak them for 24 hours like the cakes and roll them in verm?
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: tarfoh]
#13723729 - 01/03/11 09:52 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you follow the tek your sub will have enough moisture for the first flush, just mist to replace daily evaporation. Some ppl dunk their sub after the first flush. Verm wont be needed on top, you CAN case the tray, but you dont really need to, just use a crumpled wax paper to help get a good pinset, it holds humidity close to the sub and creates microclimates that are beneficial to primordia formation.
-Flood
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: N2DFlood]
#13723748 - 01/03/11 10:07 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello there and welcome to the shroomery
migraineur advice is brilliant but for a monotub. you seem to have mention aluminum trays, wich are much smaller.
So, I'll be very nice and give you the Shroomery's most helpful somewhat hidden link. (dont tell it was me!)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11961453
Follow all of these teks and you will become a master.
As for your question with aluminum tray I would follow this tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4576865/an/0/page/0]
So, good luck, have fun. Sadly with the links I sent you, you'll probably never ask a question again. So have a nice life 
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: N2DFlood]
#13723753 - 01/03/11 10:08 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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N2DFlood said:
If you follow the tek your sub will have enough moisture for the first flush, just mist to replace daily evaporation. Some ppl dunk their sub after the first flush. Verm wont be needed on top, you CAN case the tray, but you dont really need to, just use a crumpled wax paper to help get a good pinset, it holds humidity close to the sub and creates microclimates that are beneficial to primordia formation.
-Flood
Imma try this....
To RP:
Try using sterilite six quart shoe box containers for trays, paint the outside black.... (black "fusion" spray paint bonds to plastic)
Generally anywhere from 1:2 to 1:5 spawn:substrate ratio is used. Obviously more spawn equals faster colonization.
I personally use three pints spawn to about four quarts sub in my shoe boxes, works well for me.
Good luck!
BC
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Patlal]
#13723758 - 01/03/11 10:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
As for your question with aluminum tray I would follow this tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4576865/an/0/page/0]
So, good luck, have fun. Sadly with the links I sent you, you'll probably never ask a question again. So have a nice life
 , but as for that tek, don't soak your grains in yours jars. use a large pot or mixing bowl. Also, there's a substrate calculator here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11501203#11501203
GL
You may also want to check out "Boris" and how he does his bulk trays.
It's simply 2 1" Holes drilled into the top of his bulk trays then silicone some felt or poly disks to the top or bottom of the lid. No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13723843 - 01/03/11 10:46 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sweet. Thanks everyone for the advice. I'll be sure to post the pics from my first pf tek grow once the first flush is done (about to dunk them). I had an experienced grower help me with the inoculation procedures and such, so i'm sure it will turn out well. Again, thanks.
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13724233 - 01/03/11 12:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Todlow said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread 
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I don't think I'd appreciate it if some woman randomly bent over in front of me and showed her asshole to me.
Edited by Maharishi_2_U (01/03/11 01:34 PM)
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#13724256 - 01/03/11 12:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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boredcertified said:
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Patlal said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread
I admire your effort to not spread bullshit, but dont pin other peoples bullshit under my name.
Thank you
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Patlal]
#13724311 - 01/03/11 12:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry dude...
Tis my bad....
I post from a mobile ip so I make mistakes....
I will edit
BC
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#13724341 - 01/03/11 01:09 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's mine.  I don't paint the sides of my trays, then again. I don't fruit in trays. No reason to w/ a GH/martha set-up, just bust out that huge ass cake on the rack &  .
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13724436 - 01/03/11 01:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok the drama is over....
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: tarfoh]
#13724722 - 01/03/11 02:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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tarfoh said:
I am planning to transfer it to aluminum or plastic trays
Mycelium can and will eat holes straight through an aluminum tray. Invest a lil money in a plastic tray that will last you forever.
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tarfoh said:
First, what is the best substrate to use for the grain transfer?
There really is no, "Best", they all work. Its not as if your mushrooms going to preform any better based off of your choice of substrate, because thats a genetic decision. Plus, your mushrooms get the majority of there nutrients from the grain-spawn not the substrate.
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tarfoh said:
are there any general ratios of colonized rye berries to bulk substrates that I can follow, regardless of tray size? Do I need to add gypsum or case with 50/50?
Most go about 1:2, but I personally do about a 1:1. 1:1 insures a speedy colonization.
Gypsum is a very very very good additive. If you use, add at a 2-5% rate.
Cubensis isn't a species that requires a casing. Imo, I think there a good idea if your going the mono-tub rout, since the RH is evaporated from the moisture in the substrate. I would much rather it evaporate from the casing apposed to my substrate. Since your using a FC (Shotgun), you'll be receiving your RH from another source and you wont need to worry about a casing.
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: tarfoh]
#13724786 - 01/03/11 03:04 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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tarfoh said:
I am planning to transfer it to aluminum or plastic trays
Mycelium can and will eat holes straight through an aluminum tray. Invest a lil money in a plastic tray that will last you forever.
Quote:
tarfoh said:
First, what is the best substrate to use for the grain transfer?
There really is no, "Best", they all work. Its not as if your mushrooms going to preform any better based off of your choice of substrate, because thats a genetic decision. Plus, your mushrooms get the majority of there nutrients from the grain-spawn not the substrate.
Quote:
tarfoh said:
are there any general ratios of colonized rye berries to bulk substrates that I can follow, regardless of tray size? Do I need to add gypsum or case with 50/50?
Most go about 1:2, but I personally do about a 1:1. 1:1 insures a speedy colonization.
Gypsum is a very very very good additive. If you use, add at a 2-5% rate.
Cubensis isn't a species that requires a casing. Imo, I think there a good idea if your going the mono-tub rout, since the RH is evaporated from the moisture in the substrate. I would much rather it evaporate from the casing apposed to my substrate. Since your using a FC (Shotgun), you'll be receiving your RH from another source and you wont need to worry about a casing.
Quote:
boredcertified said:
Quote:
Todlow said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread
There is no need to block the sides of the substrate from light. Light alone is not a strong enough pinning trigger to, well, ...trigger pinning. The reason side pinning occurs is from the substrate losing core moisture content. Moisture evaporates out, thus it shrinks away from the mold of the tray. Then there is a gap all the way around your sub. This gap harbors a micro-climate that the mushrooms are preferring... The only way to avoid side pins is to line the tray with a trash-bag. The mycelium will hold on to the trash-bag when its fully colonized and as it shrinks, the trash-bag will compromise down to the size of the substrate. The bag will seal the sides and bottom off from air, thus forcing it to only have a top surface area to produce fruiting-bodies.
I personally use a GH, and I just pop the whole substrate mass out of the container like a huge cake and set it directly on the shelving. Side pins = more mushrooms. 360 pinsets are cool.
   
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#13724883 - 01/03/11 03:30 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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boredcertified said:
Quote:
Todlow said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread
why avoid side pinning? its just more shrooms... 
wheres the misinfo?
I use clear monotubs and dont line with a trashbag or black out the sides and sidepinning hasnt caused me any issues. Im just wondering why you jumped on that? 
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: 13shrooms]
#13725024 - 01/03/11 04:05 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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13shrooms said:
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boredcertified said:
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Todlow said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread
why avoid side pinning? its just more shrooms...
wheres the misinfo?
I use clear monotubs and dont line with a trashbag or black out the sides and sidepinning hasnt caused me any issues. Im just wondering why you jumped on that?
Perhaps it is outdated info???
I find I get better (more even) pinsets in my situation blacking sides....
As do othera acording to my reading...
I have ben wrong before.... that's why I am here .... lol
I am still  sometimes..... but I will admit it....
That's what marriage and a sales job taught me....
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#13725098 - 01/03/11 04:23 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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boredcertified said:
Quote:
Todlow said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread
*insert foot into mouth*
had you READ TL's comment you would have noticed the membors name "Boris"
then you should have typed in the search engine "Boris"
Looked through his gallery and you would have saw what todlow was talking about...
he wasn't just talking out of his neck like somepeople
 don't be so quick to act like  ...TL was just trying to help
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Barakanaten]
#13726638 - 01/03/11 09:34 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Barakanaten said:
Quote:
boredcertified said:
Quote:
Todlow said:
No reason to paint the sides of the trays.
It is to avoid side pinning...
A VERY good reason.....
Pls read before misinformation is spread
*insert foot into mouth*
had you READ TL's comment
I DID
you would have noticed the membors name "Boris"
I DID
then you should have typed in the search engine "Boris"
WHY? I DO NOT RESPOND WELL TO ORDERS....
Looked through his gallery and you would have saw what todlow was talking about...
YOU ARE A BETTER FORUM SURFER THAN ME..... I SHOULD BE BANNED FOREVER!
he wasn't just talking out of his neck:
IF YOU ARE INCINUATING I WAS .... YOU SHOULD UTFSE....
aweneck: like somepeople
don't be so quick to act like ...
PLEASE HEAD YOUR OWN ADVICE
TL was just trying to help
AS WAS I...
K?????? Thanks big bunches sweetcheeks!
Can we carry on.....
I think we got er figured out here.... but thanks for helping us out
Like I said mistakes are made....
I thought it was misinformation,
I corrected myself
Kindly piss off
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Re: Question about bulking and transferring to trays [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#13726732 - 01/03/11 09:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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We're not trying to be "harsh" or anything, bud. Just want you to get the facts strait and not call out "misinformation" when there was none. Be cool & don't start shit. We're trying to stop all the misinformation going around as are all the moderators & Trusted Cultivators.
Please keep  w/ the 
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