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 GGTBod
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 My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection 
#13647015 - 12/17/10 02:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was asked about my collection earlier
Got 1 x 30 year old this is my seed factory I bought it when it was 14 for 150 Dutch Guilders it now has 13 ribs around and 7 areoles to the centre of the button from the ground and has donated 2 pups which now grow on their own roots
10 x 15 year old who are all from seed of the above and look almost identical to each other with 4 heads that all flower
2 x 12 year olds from the seed factory, not identical
 
5 x 10 year olds who I ate the buttons from when they were 5 years old, some have single buttons some have multiple
 
10 x 5 years old bought from an outside source aged 2 years to enhance my genetic selection as I cross pollinate
I just planted over 700 Peyote seeds 3 days ago and over 100 have sprouted already, ive also planted 100 Peruvianus see but they are not popping yet.
The photo's I have loaded up onto here are all of my Peyote collection that I grow at my house, my south facing windows are packed so I use my families south facing windows, they all don't mind cos they look amazing and they dont have to do anything for them in the way of care. I've also got a healthy collection of T.Pachanoi T.Peruvianus and T.Bridgesii
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WalterShabas
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 Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13647081 - 12/17/10 03:01 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Holy shit, thats a lot of lophs.
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: WalterShabas]
#13647148 - 12/17/10 03:13 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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All started with 1 lol who knows how far it will go. last time I planted seed I planted 15 and got 10 survivors, this time i planted over 700 seed hahahahhahahahahahahahaha add twisted snigger and snort then hahahahahaha one day i will really get into it and start takin it seriously
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migraineur
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13647185 - 12/17/10 03:20 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey,
I just got some seeds delivered. What is a good soil mix to make for planting loph and pach seeds?
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: migraineur]
#13647231 - 12/17/10 03:29 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use saturated powdered vermiculite as it is innert and connot harbour bacteria no matter how long it is in a wet state, if you use potting compost it is a recipe for mold
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13647424 - 12/17/10 04:17 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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powdered vermiculite saturated with water? that sounds like a good idea.
how much should the vermic be broken up? How long would you recommend keeping them in that medium before transplanting?
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: jingus]
#13647495 - 12/17/10 04:37 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I put vermiculite in blender until it is like sand, I use that medium for the first 3 months and supplement with a 10% normal strength 20-20-20 npk fertiliser from about 1-2 weeks after germination.
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13647504 - 12/17/10 04:39 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Blender whilst it is still dry lol
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 karode13
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13648221 - 12/17/10 07:42 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice collection! 
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: karode13]
#13648251 - 12/17/10 07:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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must...beg...for seeds. lol (jk)
really nice collection. i have all mine grafted, i want them to start flowering before i put them in their own roots.
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: brshroomer]
#13648381 - 12/17/10 08:22 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never rushed things, iv thought about grafting onto Peruvianus to keep the alkaloid content high but I just love them natural and have never bothered as they always look freaky shapes after a grafting.
In April at the end of my dry spell (nov to apr) I am harvesting the buttons from 4 of the 15 year old Peyotes, 3 of us are going to eat the flesh until we can not fit in another mouthfull, last time I done that I ate 250grams of flesh (T.Pachanoi), with the Peyote averaging at 0.4% fresh weight being mescaline it should be interesting considering I am harvesting at end of hibernation when alkaloid content is at maximum. All 4 Peyote have been on their own root since germination.
I'm really excited I have waited 15 years for this particular adventure, I dream about it almost every night, when I blink I see a residual image of my most symetrical specimen, its crazy the bond before consumption is mentally intense and I'm sure afterwards it will be deeper. 5 years ago I ate the buttons from 5 years olds which was quite strong but not full maturity so i really have no idea of how intesne this will be
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: brshroomer]
#13648420 - 12/17/10 08:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
brshroomer said:
must...beg...for seeds. lol (jk)
really nice collection. i have all mine grafted, i want them to start flowering before i put them in their own roots.
I think if you do this the seeds from the flower whilst a graft will be seed of the graft stock.
My reason for this thought is when grafting pears, apples, cherries etc onto faster growing varieties the seed of this fruit will always produce fruit of the variety of the original root and not the graft.
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13648437 - 12/17/10 08:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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you sure? i've never heard that. seems too odd.
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: brshroomer]
#13648464 - 12/17/10 08:42 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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No im not sure but it is how all other plants behave in that scenario and cacti are still plants. I know an English Picolo Cherry tree with 4 types of exotic cherries grafted onto it but all the cherry stones produce english picolo cherry trees
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13648479 - 12/17/10 08:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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test the theory keep it until it flowers as a graft and then germinate the seed, within 1 month you'd know if it was a loph or a tricho
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karode13
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13648544 - 12/17/10 08:58 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
GGTBod said:
I think if you do this the seeds from the flower whilst a graft will be seed of the graft stock.
This is incorrect. Just because it is grafted does not mean the genes of the rootstock gets passed onto the scion. It doesn't happen with any plant to my knowledge either. A peyote will not produce a Trichocereus flower just because it is grafted to one.
Also, I seen you mentioned that you were thinking of grafting a button onto a peruvianus to keep the alkaloid profile intact. This is another myth as people graft onto non-active cacti all the time and the buttons do not lose their alkaloids. It may water them down so to speak but they do not disappear.
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: karode13]
#13648559 - 12/17/10 09:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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actually i think the grafting stock alkaloid content has no influence on the scion at all
tests on T spachianus which tested negative for m was grafted to a alk + T pachanoi stock and then degrafted and retested at a later date it still was m-, no m was transferred to scion.
so it seems that the alkaloid profile of the stock has no influence on the scion, though this may not always be true in all cases
grafted lophs are often thought to be "weak" but it seems that chemical profile is more due to age rather than size.
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: karode13]
#13648646 - 12/17/10 09:19 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
karode13 said:
Quote:
GGTBod said:
I think if you do this the seeds from the flower whilst a graft will be seed of the graft stock.
This is incorrect. Just because it is grafted does not mean the genes of the rootstock gets passed onto the scion. It doesn't happen with any plant to my knowledge either. A peyote will not produce a Trichocereus flower just because it is grafted to one.
Also, I seen you mentioned that you were thinking of grafting a button onto a peruvianus to keep the alkaloid profile intact. This is another myth as people graft onto non-active cacti all the time and the buttons do not lose their alkaloids. It may water them down so to speak but they do not disappear.
Both points are good to know but i did not say the grafted Lophophora would produce a tricho flower, I said the seed might produce a plant of the graft stock - i also said i did not know if it would be true to cacti, but i can guarantee it is the way with peaches, plums, pears, apples and cherries
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GGTBod
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: zinyop]
#13648755 - 12/17/10 09:43 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
zinyop said:
actually i think the grafting stock alkaloid content has no influence on the scion at all
tests on T spachianus which tested negative for m was grafted to a alk + T pachanoi stock and then degrafted and retested at a later date it still was m-, no m was transferred to scion.
so it seems that the alkaloid profile of the stock has no influence on the scion, though this may not always be true in all cases
grafted lophs are often thought to be "weak" but it seems that chemical profile is more due to age rather than size.
I've read this also, I also read after graft scion is back on its own rootstock it must be this way for 2 years before the alkaloid content is back to normal
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Re: My Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote) Collection [Re: GGTBod]
#13662884 - 12/20/10 11:18 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your collection is so beautiful! I had no idea the flowers were so pretty. Your trip will be exquisite!
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