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 What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? 
#13613187 - 12/10/10 02:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Do you think such a decision would result in chaos, or do you think nothing major would result? Explain your position. 
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 Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13613205 - 12/10/10 02:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Mexico would be fucked
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13613212 - 12/10/10 02:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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How do you think it would affect the US? 
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13613248 - 12/10/10 02:14 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Less.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13613254 - 12/10/10 02:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Markedly less?
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Explain your position.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13613417 - 12/10/10 02:43 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Markedly less.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13613473 - 12/10/10 02:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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the vast bulk of govt "handouts" are corporate welfare.. which i doubt very many ppl would miss...in fact getting rid of the corporate welfare and its beneficiaries would make traditional welfare less necessary too..but not unneccessary...
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Annapurna1]
#13613481 - 12/10/10 02:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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anna thinks letting corporations keep any profits is welfare. I guess I'm on welfare, too.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Annapurna1]
#13613499 - 12/10/10 02:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno, I'd sure enjoy watching from my hilltop....
I can produce EVERYTHING I need here....
Let it rain....
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anyone else ever go to jail for growin weed? thats some ridiculous ass shit right there. ive never been more angry in my life than when i got locked up for growing plants.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Annapurna1]
#13618221 - 12/11/10 04:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Markedly less.
Can you please elaborate? Why do you think such a decision would cause Mexico to be fucked, and the US to be markedly less fucked?
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the vast bulk of govt "handouts" are corporate welfare.. which i doubt very many ppl would miss...in fact getting rid of the corporate welfare and its beneficiaries would make traditional welfare less necessary too..but not unneccessary...
What do you mean by "corporate welfare"?
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13618288 - 12/11/10 04:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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By corporate welfare she means "profits not handed over to the glorious proletariat".
And no, I''m not going to elaborate on yet another nonsensical hypothetical that has zero chance of coming to pass.
Next up: Poid argues that nothing has a zero probability.
Pre-emptively:
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13618308 - 12/11/10 04:42 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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And no, I''m not going to elaborate on yet another nonsensical hypothetical that has zero chance of coming to pass.
What exactly is so nonsensical about this hypothetical situation? You always bitch about how shitty welfare recipients are, I'm just wondering if you (and other people) would be fine with completely eliminating welfare. 
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13618321 - 12/11/10 04:45 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Then you don't read my posts. Nor is that what you asked for. As far as what I feel about how shitty welfare recipients are all I want is for them;
A. Not to waste my fucking money and
B. A little reach around now and then would be nice instead of constantly trying to jam it in harder.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13618354 - 12/11/10 04:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Then you don't read my posts. Nor is that what you asked for. As far as what I feel about how shitty welfare recipients are all I want is for them;
A. Not to waste my fucking money and
What you consider to be a waste of money may not be considered as such by welfare recipients.
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B. A little reach around now and then would be nice instead of constantly trying to jam it in harder.
To each their own. 
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13618529 - 12/11/10 05:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Then you don't read my posts. Nor is that what you asked for. As far as what I feel about how shitty welfare recipients are all I want is for them;
A. Not to waste my fucking money and
What you consider to be a waste of money may not be considered as such by welfare recipients.
It's my money. I get to decide what I want them to spend it on.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13618817 - 12/11/10 06:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Poid said:
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zappaisgod said:
Then you don't read my posts. Nor is that what you asked for. As far as what I feel about how shitty welfare recipients are all I want is for them;
A. Not to waste my fucking money and
What you consider to be a waste of money may not be considered as such by welfare recipients.
It's my money. I get to decide what I want them to spend it on.
Uhhhhh NO......
This is where you are WRONG.
That is the governments money...
VOTE
If you do not like the results, do what I did.... MOVE
Hahahahahah sorry that one makes me laugh
Stop paying....
I dunno man, you make some valid arguments, but the unrealistic neo con thing is such a fairytale....
BC
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Ajaxx said:
anyone else ever go to jail for growin weed? thats some ridiculous ass shit right there. ive never been more angry in my life than when i got locked up for growing plants.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: boredcertified]
#13618845 - 12/11/10 06:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Poid said:
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zappaisgod said:
Then you don't read my posts. Nor is that what you asked for. As far as what I feel about how shitty welfare recipients are all I want is for them;
A. Not to waste my fucking money and
What you consider to be a waste of money may not be considered as such by welfare recipients.
It's my money. I get to decide what I want them to spend it on.
Uhhhhh NO......
This is where you are WRONG.
That is the governments money...
As an American citizen the government's money IS my money. And I and the duly elected representatives in my government have decided that what they may use my money for is limited.Quote:
VOTE
I doQuote:
If you do not like the results, do what I did.... MOVE
Like this guy?Quote:
Hahahahahah sorry that one makes me laugh
Stop paying....
I dunno man, you make some valid arguments, but the unrealistic neo con thing is such a fairytale....
BC
What neo-con thing?
I admit to be very sympathetic to the neo-con argument but I'm not seeing it here.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: zappaisgod]
#13618905 - 12/11/10 07:10 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Lol @ zappa, u interest me.....
Be well
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anyone else ever go to jail for growin weed? thats some ridiculous ass shit right there. ive never been more angry in my life than when i got locked up for growing plants.
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: Poid]
#13618926 - 12/11/10 07:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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in a nice fairly tale world welfare beneficiaries would spend their money on rent, power and phone and food, and maybe some new pants and a shirt so they can look smart for job interviews.
As a beneficiary myself earlier this year, and its also now as a taxpayer something i realise is good for those that need it and will actively want to get off it. Seriously being on welfare sucks, if you're serious about getting off it it will kill your social life, but i get offended by people i meet in bars who are on it and obviously are doing nothing to get off it.
Sadly there are these things called "long-term" beneficiaries who have no intention on getting a job and it would be good to weed them out from the welfare system over time, i.e drug testing.. etc... fairly invasive measures i know, but necessary to find out who is wasting welfare money
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Do you think such a decision would result in chaos, or do you think nothing major would result? Explain your position.
There would be protest if welfare was cut completely from many people, including those who have had to use in the past after being made redundant. I wouldn't call it chaos though...
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Re: What if the government decided to completely stop offering handouts tomorrow? [Re: flangenips]
#13619904 - 12/12/10 02:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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> but i get offended by people i meet in bars who are on it and obviously are doing nothing to get off it.
One of my largest gripes with welfare (in the US) is that the system is designed to keep people on welfare. I don't know if this was done intentionally (conspiracy time) or not, but we are stuck with it until changes are made. People on welfare are rewarded for decisions that make it more difficult to get away from welfare and are punished for decisions that help get away from welfare. Welfare recipients are rewarded for having large families that they cannot support, but are punished for working.
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