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 Re: The Moon landings were real.  [Re: Shins]
#13525256 - 11/22/10 06:23 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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That video is not at all compelling. Perhaps that early shot was taken from low Earth orbit with a low-angle view of the circular window. That doesn't mean that the other shots were. The other shots have no such distortion. And, as they say, the reels span at least 3 days.
So the dude on Earth requests that they talk. So what?
Doesn't look like a crescent-shaped stencil to me. For one, the line demarcating light and day on the image of the earth is not at all crisp.
And who cares if something passes between the lens and the window. I see nothing to suggest that it's necessarily someone's arm. It could have been something as small as a playing card if it was close enough to the lens.
At 8:18 I do not see them remove part of the crescent insert as the narrator suggests.
A 8:29, how could the Earth possibly look so bright (if it was not, in fact, close to the spaceship). THEY JUST TOLD YOU WHY, it's because they opened up the iris!
All you need to make people see what you want them to see is a breathless voice over with an English accent and a little creepy music. So credible!
Just keep asking "why this" and "why that" and pretty soon you've built a nice little conspiracy, just like Glen Beck does every week these days.
LAME VIDEO!
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Shins]
#13525312 - 11/22/10 06:32 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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government agencies never lie.
I hear this parroted all the time around here. How is this relevant at all? Should we assume that because they lie sometimes they lie all the time? I dont get. Do you really think that skeptics are skeptic because we believe what some agency says? Thats not the case at all. It seems like a completely useless saying to say over and over again. Whenever I hear it I automatically assume whoever is saying it just lost the argument. I would lose that saying if I were you.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Me_Roy]
#13525321 - 11/22/10 06:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said:
That video is not at all compelling. Perhaps that early shot was taken from low Earth orbit with a low-angle view of the circular window. That doesn't mean that the other shots were. The other shots have no such distortion. And, as they say, the reels span at least 3 days.
So the dude on Earth requests that they talk. So what?
Doesn't look like a crescent-shaped stencil to me. For one, the line demarcating light and day on the image of the earth is not at all crisp.
And who cares if something passes between the lens and the window. I see nothing to suggest that it's necessarily someone's arm. It could have been something as small as a playing card if it was close enough to the lens.
At 8:18 I do not see them remove part of the crescent insert as the narrator suggests.
A 8:29, how could the Earth possibly look so bright (if it was not, in fact, close to the spaceship). THEY JUST TOLD YOU WHY, it's because they opened up the iris!
All you need to make people see what you want them to see is a breathless voice over with an English accent and a little creepy music. So credible!
Just keep asking "why this" and "why that" and pretty soon you've built a nice little conspiracy, just like Glen Beck does every week these days.
LAME VIDEO!
Keep telling yourself that. shouldn't you be watching the football game right now anyways?
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: DieCommie]
#13525342 - 11/22/10 06:38 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I will keep telling myself that because THAT VIDEO IS EXTRAORDINARILY LAME.
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DieCommie said:
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government agencies never lie.
I hear this parroted all the time around here. How is this relevant at all? Should we assume that because they lie sometimes they lie all the time? I dont get. Do you really think that skeptics are skeptic because we believe what some agency says? Thats not the case at all. It seems like a completely useless saying to say over and over again. Whenever I hear it I automatically assume whoever is saying it just lost the argument. I would lose that saying if I were you.
Just because the government does, in fact, lie doesn't mean that every possible lie you can imagine is true.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Me_Roy]
#13525352 - 11/22/10 06:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I work for the govt, and I have been known to lie. 
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: DieCommie]
#13525357 - 11/22/10 06:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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government agencies never lie.
I hear this parroted all the time around here. How is this relevant at all? Should we assume that because they lie sometimes they lie all the time? I dont get. Do you really think that skeptics are skeptic because we believe what some agency says? Thats not the case at all. It seems like a completely useless saying to say over and over again. Whenever I hear it I automatically assume whoever is saying it just lost the argument. I would lose that saying if I were you.
Yes. we should assume that since they lie sometimes they lie all the time.
No one in thier right mind should trust anyone with a track record of lying. why would you? if someone is a known liar why should you not more closely scrutinize whatever they say?
I think skepticism is healthy and it truly is, although one should approach any situation with an open mind.
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I automatically assume whoever is saying it just lost the argument.
This is not proper due diligence.
I'm just expressing emotions of frustration to those who laugh in the face of and dismiss evidence if it doesn;t mesh with their egos.
I would not lose, but gain proper investigation when looking into these things. if something as small as an emotional outburst is proof enough for you, your credibility should be questioned.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Shins]
#13525395 - 11/22/10 06:47 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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mythbusters did a bunch of shit try to "comfirm" or "bust" the moon landing, they pretty much came to the conclusion that it wasnt fake if i remember correctly
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: chad_shrooms]
#13525414 - 11/22/10 06:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mythbusters is not liked among conspiracy theorists... they are govt. shills or something...
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Cervantes]
#13525438 - 11/22/10 06:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think theyre pretty cool and do a decent job at proving alot of the shit they try to prove or bust
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: chad_shrooms]
#13525485 - 11/22/10 07:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree. And the experiments are there to repeat.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Cervantes]
#13525522 - 11/22/10 07:10 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mythbusters is not liked among conspiracy theorists... they are govt. shills or something...
Like me, I'm a disinfo agent from the government, according to my rating page! 
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Me_Roy]
#13525824 - 11/22/10 08:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said:
That video is not at all compelling. Perhaps that early shot was taken from low Earth orbit with a low-angle view of the circular window. That doesn't mean that the other shots were. The other shots have no such distortion.
it wasn't supposed to be a small circular window. the blackness surrounding the earth was meant to be outer space, and they were supposed to be "130,000 miles" out as Buzz says. You can tell that it was intended to be the entire earth viewed from a distance by the fake terminator shadow they create by blocking out part of the shape with some material. if this one shot alone was faked, that's a pretty big hit to their credibility.
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So the dude on Earth requests that they talk. So what?
You can hear the transmission between both the astronauts and ground control which is all fuzzy and static-y. the "talk" voice is totally clear and implies it was a third party giving ques.
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Doesn't look like a crescent-shaped stencil to me. For one, the line demarcating light and day on the image of the earth is not at all crisp.
probably some material with a fall-off to it's thickness, so as it got to the edges it was thinner and allowed more light giving a nice blur effect.
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And who cares if something passes between the lens and the window. I see nothing to suggest that it's necessarily someone's arm. It could have been something as small as a playing card if it was close enough to the lens.
it's something large and bulky and cloth, you can see the cloth-like outline. the camera pans away from it, so it's obviously not some little strap that slipped down.
when the video transitions to the far-back shot, you can see that the earth was taking up all of that little window. the size ratios don't make sense at all if the camera was in fact previously pressed into the small port window to see earth surrounded by space.
and though it's hard to tell with the bright glare, it does appear that they have taken off the entire stencil (which i assume had some film on it to block the intense brightness) and are being blasted by light from a much closer earth. even if they hadn't done that, the earth size ratios from the zoom view to the far-back view still wouldn't have made sense.
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At 8:18 I do not see them remove part of the crescent insert as the narrator suggests.
it's kinda hard to tell whats happening there. not like it really matters at this point though.
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All you need to make people see what you want them to see is a breathless voice over with an English accent and a little creepy music. So credible!
you mean all you need is Walter Cronkite taking off his glasses and smiling endearingly at the world on national TV. So credible!
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LAME VIDEO!
lame attempt at discrediting
so.. brushin this off and moving on to mythbusters or what?
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Grav]
#13526073 - 11/22/10 08:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why not debunk the Mythbuster's tests?
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Cervantes]
#13526142 - 11/22/10 09:00 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why not debunk the Mythbuster's tests?
Mythbusters didn't address everything including the film footage i posted.
Debunking mythbusters is something i might try to do once i have the time and will.
I'll get back on that.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Shins]
#13526151 - 11/22/10 09:01 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can we get some pics of Kari? 
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Grav]
#13526620 - 11/22/10 10:33 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grav said:
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Me_Roy said:
That video is not at all compelling. Perhaps that early shot was taken from low Earth orbit with a low-angle view of the circular window. That doesn't mean that the other shots were. The other shots have no such distortion.
it wasn't supposed to be a small circular window. the blackness surrounding the earth was meant to be outer space, and they were supposed to be "130,000 miles" out as Buzz says. You can tell that it was intended to be the entire earth viewed from a distance by the fake terminator shadow they create by blocking out part of the shape with some material. if this one shot alone was faked, that's a pretty big hit to their credibility.
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So the dude on Earth requests that they talk. So what?
You can hear the transmission between both the astronauts and ground control which is all fuzzy and static-y. the "talk" voice is totally clear and implies it was a third party giving ques.
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Doesn't look like a crescent-shaped stencil to me. For one, the line demarcating light and day on the image of the earth is not at all crisp.
probably some material with a fall-off to it's thickness, so as it got to the edges it was thinner and allowed more light giving a nice blur effect.
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And who cares if something passes between the lens and the window. I see nothing to suggest that it's necessarily someone's arm. It could have been something as small as a playing card if it was close enough to the lens.
it's something large and bulky and cloth, you can see the cloth-like outline. the camera pans away from it, so it's obviously not some little strap that slipped down.
when the video transitions to the far-back shot, you can see that the earth was taking up all of that little window. the size ratios don't make sense at all if the camera was in fact previously pressed into the small port window to see earth surrounded by space.
and though it's hard to tell with the bright glare, it does appear that they have taken off the entire stencil (which i assume had some film on it to block the intense brightness) and are being blasted by light from a much closer earth. even if they hadn't done that, the earth size ratios from the zoom view to the far-back view still wouldn't have made sense.
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At 8:18 I do not see them remove part of the crescent insert as the narrator suggests.
it's kinda hard to tell whats happening there. not like it really matters at this point though.
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All you need to make people see what you want them to see is a breathless voice over with an English accent and a little creepy music. So credible!
you mean all you need is Walter Cronkite taking off his glasses and smiling endearingly at the world on national TV. So credible!
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LAME VIDEO!
lame attempt at discrediting
so.. brushin this off and moving on to mythbusters or what?
I saw nothing to suggest that it was a crescent shaped object obscuring the window. Nothing, save for the earlier shot showing the still-near earth filling the entire window. Yes, I was watching and listening and i heard the British woman's explanation, but I saw nothing to corroborate it. I understand that they wanted it to look like the earth surrounded by the blackness of space and was not convinced that it was anything but.
Let's just say that a third part was on the horn with them. So what? Doesn't lead me to conclude that the whole operation was a sham.
In the segment after we see their little reading light within the blacked-out room, they open the iris and you say we see the image of the Earth filling the whole window. I don't think so. I think that's EARTHSHINE too bright to resolve into a distinct and discrete disc shape with the iris open that far.
When something comes between the lens and the window, it's so blurry one can't discern what the heck it is.
Again, I hear what the nice British woman is saying, but I don't see what she sees. I think it's baloney.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Me_Roy]
#13527094 - 11/22/10 11:55 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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You must be one of THEM.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Me_Roy]
#13527135 - 11/23/10 12:06 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again, I hear what the nice British woman is saying, but I don't see what she sees. I think it's baloney.
It's pretty obvious that it was fake production of some sort.
I'm not saying it's 100% conclusive that they didn't go to the moon, but again it's pretty obvious they were faking shit, so I think it's likely they were faking the whole thing.
especially considering how much questionable material is in the official moon landing footage to begin with.
If you don't want to see it, you won't. I def won't try and convince you.
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Grav]
#13528173 - 11/23/10 06:45 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grav said:
It's pretty obvious that it was fake production of some sort.
I'm not saying it's 100% conclusive that they didn't go to the moon, but again it's pretty obvious they were faking shit, so I think it's likely they were faking the whole thing.
Not really arguing, but I've seen it mentioned that maybe the first mission was fake.
They just weren't ready in time. But later missions were basically real.
Maybe they covered up what they found, but they actually went.
I dunno, but it seems more plausible than "completely fake".
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Re: The Moon landings were real. [Re: Doc_T]
#13528252 - 11/23/10 07:55 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just wanna go grow some fuckin' space weed 
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