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#13427275 - 11/03/10 02:42 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone have any information on what the best pairings with coir are? I've read that oysters don't like it much, but I've just fruited some on a banana frond/coir mix. I also read a thread on the board about someone growing Shiitakes on coir with great success.
Does anyone have any experience with it? Does coir accept mushrooms that normally grow on deciduous woods, or coniferous, or only a certain type of saprophyte?
Any help or pointers at all would be a great help.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Niwita]
#13427472 - 11/03/10 05:34 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The individual fibre cells are narrow and hollow, with thick walls made of cellulose. They are pale when immature but later become hardened and yellowed as a layer of lignin is deposited on their walls.
-Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coir
Since cellulose and lignin are primarily what the wood lovers feed off of, many species can be tricked into eating it. This is similar to how we trick oysters into eating straw. Reishi also works well on coir. Coir can be expensive (depending on the source), and when you compare the results with a free substrate like newsprint you really come out ahead to use newsprint, or even fuel pellets.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: fungus_tao]
#13427505 - 11/03/10 05:50 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'm actually at the source. I can buy 5kg bricks of regular coir and coir + coir chips for between 2 and 3 US dollars. Is there some mix that would make the substrate put out better than it would alone?
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Niwita]
#13427534 - 11/03/10 06:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I paid $17 for a 5kg bail. If you are getting it that cheap, then it is going to be worth it. You can always supplement if needed.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: fungus_tao]
#13427647 - 11/03/10 06:57 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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With grain, or what?
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Niwita]
#13427744 - 11/03/10 07:40 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Well, adding grain spawn does increase the nutrition content of the bulk substrate. When I prepare coir I add wheat bran, gypsum, vermiculite, and used coffee grounds, and PC for 2 hours in filter bags. That's just the way I do things. Coir can be pasteurized, but leave out the coffee and wheat bran if you decide to pasteurize instead of sterilize.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: fungus_tao]
#13478564 - 11/13/10 12:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So has anyone had success growing shiitake with a coir block supplemented with grain/bran?
Hardwood sawdust is somewhat difficult to obtain and I would love to grow some soon.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: themycoman]
#13478666 - 11/13/10 01:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: fungus_tao]
#13479780 - 11/13/10 05:56 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Most shiitake strains won't even pin on coir. I found that out the hard way. If you're wanting to grow shiitake and oysters, you'd be far better off with sawdust or straw, both of which are a fraction the cost of coir and perform much better.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13481433 - 11/14/10 04:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I've got 5 grains of reishi spawn slowly but surely colonizing coir chips. I didn't even pasteurize, just soaked for about 5 minutes and mixed the spawn in.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13482939 - 11/14/10 12:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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So can you fruit shitakes on a straw mix then? And has anybody ever tried any knid of palm wood before?
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: River77]
#13485092 - 11/14/10 08:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I don't live where palm trees grow, but lately I've been harvesting several of my strains of shiitake from a mixture of Douglas fir, pine, and shredded wheat straw. Recipe is roughly half sawdust and half straw. Supplemented with rice bran and gypsum, and then sterilized.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: RogerRabbit]
#13485262 - 11/14/10 08:47 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
I don't live where palm trees grow, but lately I've been harvesting several of my strains of shiitake from a mixture of Douglas fir, pine, and shredded wheat straw. Recipe is roughly half sawdust and half straw. Supplemented with rice bran and gypsum, and then sterilized.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: pepper]
#13503573 - 11/18/10 11:27 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Right on thanks RR. Im actually in the process of setting up a mushroom farm. on a 22 acre Estate in Maui. Doing Oysters outdoors and Shitake indoor. Oysters are a no problem but as far as substrate for shitakes Im starting playing around with some not so common woods. Like Palm wood, Christmas Berry tree, Java plum, Mango, Koa, Kakui Nut, Kaive, an Iron wood called Beechwood Elm and several strains of eucalyptus. I've even recently found some type of polypore growing off the hard inner wood of an actual coconut. I also found an easy way to make my own coir. I going to try mixing with some straw, coir and various woods listed above. Ill be posting some pics as soon as I get more organized.
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Edited by River77 (11/18/10 11:29 AM)
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: River77]
#13506268 - 11/18/10 08:34 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Do you mind if I ask what your easy way of making coir is? I have access to large amounts of free time and coconut shells. 
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Niwita]
#13507884 - 11/19/10 06:08 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Niwita said:
I've got 5 grains of reishi spawn slowly but surely colonizing coir chips. I didn't even pasteurize, just soaked for about 5 minutes and mixed the spawn in.
Let us know how that works out with out pasteurisation. SW reishi is super fast, might out run anything else.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Base Icks]
#13510961 - 11/19/10 05:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The colonization is going kinda slow right now. I'm using coir chips, so this is more like using woodchips (in texture). I'll try again with regular coir.
The chips are being colonized slowly but surely - contaminants just don't seem to like coir very much.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Niwita]
#13514286 - 11/20/10 11:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I 1/4 the shells with a machete and then run it through a chipper shredder a couple times. then I let spread it out and let it dry in the sun on a tarp. its not as fluffy as the coir in the stores but it works. I try to get as young as coconut as possible. if there is to much meat formed in the shell I dont use that nut because it cause a mess and makes the coir cakey.
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: River77]
#13516189 - 11/20/10 06:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I figured it needed a wood chipper. Thanks
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Re: Gourmet/Medicinal Mushrooms & Coir [Re: Niwita]
#13837138 - 01/23/11 01:25 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I have decided to give this a try since I do not have aloha shiitake 75 or the straw strain and I think it would be worth seeing if the sporeworks strain will fruit off straw or a mix of coir/straw.
I will be using the "edodes strain sporeworks is selling" that Gobblin used to fruit shittake off of coir about two years ago.
I'm planning on doing three blocks, one straight coir, one a mix of coir and straw, and one just straw.
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