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Why I Am Not Enlightened * 1
    #13425179 - 11/02/10 09:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I finally figured out why I'm not enlightened. Over 30 years ago, when I had just made the proverbial first step on a "journey of a thousand miles" I heard the following well-known tale: A man approaches a Zen Master and asks to be shown the path to enlightenment. The Master replies, "Okay, follow me," stands up, and walks the man to a nearby river and into the water. Without warning, the Master forces the man's head under the water and holds it there as he struggles violently for his life, until he is nearly dead. At last the Master pulls the man up, gasping for air, and says, "When you want to be enlightened as badly as you wanted to take your next breath just now, come back and see me."

At the time, as a youthful spiritual adventurer, the story inspired me and got me fired up, and fueled the years of seeking, meditating, and exotic travels to distant lands that followed. Yet now, looking back, I'm wondering if I could have saved myself a lot of trouble had I simply answered the question implied by that story honestly: No. No I do not want to get enlightened more than life itself, more than I would crave my next breath in that situation.

Again and again in the spiritual literature, and particularly in the fierce world of Zen, we come across stories that are similar. In ancient China, it is said that Hui-ka came to Bodhidharma's cave and waited for the monk to accept him. After standing there for days with no sign of the teacher coming out to greet him, it began snowing. When the snow had reached to Hui's waist, Bodhidharma finally came out and asked,

"What is it you want?" 


"My mind is not at ease," Hui replied. 


"The Way is long and difficult," said Bodhi, dismissing him.

Hui took out his sword and chopped off his left arm and handed it to the Master, and was accepted.

Another tale tells of the Zen master who was once threatened by a gruff Samurai holding a sword over him, saying, "Don't you know who I am? I am someone who could cut your head off without a second thought or batting an eye," to which the Master replied, "And don't you know who I am? I am someone who could offer you his head to cut off without a second thought or batting an eye."

In one of his previous incarnations, the Buddha is said to have offered his body as food for a hungry tiger.

And so forth and so on; the message seems to be that enlightenment, or the realization of Truth, is not a casual affair for mere spiritual tourists, but only for the very rare individual willing to sacrifice any and everything, including his or her very life, in its pursuit.

Alas, most of us, myself included, are merely in search of, at best, "feeling better," while possibly surrounding ourselves with consoling aphorisms and beliefs, incense, and countless books on esoteric subjects written by others who themselves have not made the final cut, so to speak. (The late Douglas Harding, one of the few who seemed to know of what he spoke, titled one of his books, On Having No Head). But let's face it: of all the people that you and I know who have spent a good deal of their lives sitting on meditation cushions, chanting in Sanskrit, gulping psychedelics like M & Ms, and subscribing to The Yoga Journal, how many have achieved the pinnacle of human possibility that all of the great spiritual teachings insist is available to anyone, if only we wanted it as badly as air and life itself?

It would mean putting enlightenment at the top of our To-Do list and priorities, ahead of career, family, comfort and security, things which, speaking for myself, actually comprise some of my favorite parts of being alive. In the Christian world, of course, Jesus was a "fisher of men" and told them to put down their nets right then and there and "follow me." Like the Moonies in the early days, those who joined up never even called home or checked in with their parents. (Perhaps today the families of Peter, Judas and the rest would kidnap them and deliver them to a deprogrammer). Same for the monks who divested themselves of all worldly goods and personal attachments to traipse through the forest with the Buddha. The Jews, naturally, didn't have much choice. Following Moses into the desert for 40 years seemed at first as if it would definitely be a step up from brutal slavery, but a lot of them bitched and moaned about it anyway. Even they didn't always want their freedom more than the familiarity of the less than optimal life they knew.

Ram Dass once spoke of a picture he saw in the newspaper of an abused and battered infant wailing as it was taken out of the arms of its mother, reaching back desperately for its abuser. The message was clear: we are wired to choose the familiar and the comfortable at any cost. I attended a two-week retreat in Rishikesh, India with contemporary guru Andrew Cohen once, and he made it crystal clear at the outset that it was imperative that we "want to be free more than anything else," and that we needed to be "deadly serious about it." I've never really been deadly serious about anything (except maybe my record collection) so that put me off a bit, especially since the most enlightened people I had come into contact with over the years always had at least one thing in common: they laughed uproariously and often. (Actually, to be fair, so did Andrew.)

I recently finished reading Spiritual Warfare by Jed McKenna, who, like Andrew and many others who walk among us these days, presents himself as someone who is "done," in the sense that prior to enlightenment, we are all perpetually in a state of "becoming," as distinct from finally being released into the vast mystery of Present Being, with no further demands of life, only curiosity and radical amazement. Jed is done with all becoming. So he, too, naturally, makes statements like, "All that's required is an arm and a leg? That's it?" He can't believe his good fortune to learn that "waking up" is such a bargain. Living without a few limbs, he says, is far preferable to even one more moment of living a lie.

Okay, I think I've made my point: the reason I am not enlightened after all these years is that I value my arms and legs too much, not to mention my wife and family, and last but not least, air. (My favorite.)

Now, for the opposing view: the most provocative statement I ever heard Werner Erhard make-yes I know he is controversial and either adored or despised, but this is worth considering-was that over the years, he had witnessed thousands of people literally give up everything in their pursuit of enlightenment. He had seen them give up their jobs, their families, spend their fortunes, devote years of their time, meditate until their knees were destroyed, "ANYTHING," he said, "except the ONE THING required in order to be enlightened. That, no one will give up." He paused for emphasis, then shouted, as was his style, "PEOPLE WILL NOT GIVE UP THAT THEY ARE NOT ENLIGHTENED. IT'S TOO TERRIBLE TO GIVE THAT ONE UP! THEY HAVE TOO MUCH FUN DOING THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO ENLIGHTEN THEM!" He went on in a softer voice, "Now, did I just say you shouldn't do things that are going to enlighten you? No; do them. But do them because it's fun to do them! I would do them. I do do them. But not because they're going to enlighten anyone. You can't get enlightened. But you can be enlightened."

It's the perennial paradox. There are many spiritual teachers and schools of thought who remind us continuously that, "this is it," that we are, each of us, always already enlightened. That it is impossible to be otherwise, and any effort whatsoever in the direction of enlightenment can only, by definition, be a journey further from it, since it is where, unbeknownst to us, we are starting out from. A religious way of stating this would be to say that we are always already in the Presence of God. If God is Omnipresent, the Source and Substance of Everything/Everywhere, (and for the non-dual people, also the Non-Source and Non-Substance of Nothing/Nowhere, and really neither of those two, nor both; confused yet?) then there is absolutely nothing any of us could do, obviously, to either bring in or remove God from the scene.

Our True Nature is who we already are, not something we can become or attain in the future. The paradox becomes that we somehow don't recognize this fact and spend years searching for something that was never lost, and if we're fortunate, we'll run into a teacher along the way who will simply, as the Tibetan Dzogchen tradition puts it, "point out" what is perfectly obvious. Jed McKenna calls it "opening your eyes," Gurdjieff and many others refer to it as "waking up." It has been called God-Realization, Self-Realization, Enlightenment, Liberation, or simply being real and authentic, resting in the center of our original, True Nature and living life from that place rather than looking for it.

So those seem to be our two main choices: Either we're presently, already enlightened and simply don't know it, and there may or may not be teachers or methods that can help us achieve the recognition that there is nothing to achieve; or, we're clearly very far from enlightenment and we need to be willing to sacrifice our very lives to get to the Truth, and there may or may not be teachers or methods that will help us achieve that. In either case, good luck! In the meantime, it seems to me that it behooves us spiritual seekers to get on with our day.




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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13425479 - 11/02/10 10:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I actively engage my desires and send my attention outwards, I guess that's why i'm not fully immersed in the self.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: g00ru]
    #13425511 - 11/02/10 10:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think I am willing to give it all up - no arm, no leg... I feel like most Enlightened beings were awakened through the hell they were born into.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13425574 - 11/02/10 10:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I'm not gonna say never as to enlightenment.  But these days I'm more focused on producing spiritual experiences for myself, which is not the goal of enlightenment but I think it's worthy.  At this point, I've purposefully adopted the identity of a searcher. 

I do feel like many enlightened beings were born with a stronger drive towards God than myself.  I just started meditating to overcome my anxiety :shrug: for a while I didn't even question that enlightenment was what I was after.  And now, having seen what I believe is the path to full awakening, I am purposely not walking that path.  But I feel at peace with my soul for the most part, so it's all good.

I don't think the whole game is about merging into the soul and leaving samsara.  I think evolution of the ego in the classic role of the Bodhisattva is perfectly valid.  I mean, the Buddha didn't become a perfect being in one lifetime, he was the culmination of the greater universal vehicle, if you follow my disjointed logic.

edit: I'm assuming Bodhisattvas have individual identities.  Somebody better versed in Buddhism could probably enrich my depiction.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: g00ru]
    #13425626 - 11/02/10 10:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well said. :thumbup: I consider myself a seeker as well, and I think I'm in the same boat as you. I got into spirituality to alleviate my own suffering (anxiety/depression) - as selfish as a motive can come. I will continue spiritual practice because it makes me feel good and continues to offer life-changing experiences. Right now I am beginning to realize that my mind-state effects those around me. So another motive is non-locally helping other around me, especially my loved ones who I know are suffering from mental issues.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13425875 - 11/02/10 11:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

So suffering leads to searching for enlightenment, a way out of suffering. What if the suffering just makes you suffer because you think of it as suffering? Then is the search for enlightenment a search because you think it's a search?


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“Oh, I was only a private,” replied the veteran.
Diogenes rocked as if about to fall. “Ye gods!” he gasped. “At last!” Then after catching his breath he blew out his lantern and went home.
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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: lolwut]
    #13425910 - 11/02/10 11:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, and to stop thinking of it as a search you just BE, which entails an apparent sacrifice.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13425977 - 11/02/10 11:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Well said. :thumbup: I consider myself a seeker as well, and I think I'm in the same boat as you. I got into spirituality to alleviate my own suffering (anxiety/depression) - as selfish as a motive can come. I will continue spiritual practice because it makes me feel good and continues to offer life-changing experiences. Right now I am beginning to realize that my mind-state effects those around me. So another motive is non-locally helping other around me, especially my loved ones who I know are suffering from mental issues.




Ya i feel ya, basically keep going down your path, and make it a good one.  AKA life.  But keep increasing awareness, keep accelerating the process, going with the stream.  But every now and then I can't help but grab onto a stone :blush:

No reason you can't still be a benefit to others though. I feel the same way about my own family and friends.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13427369 - 11/03/10 07:17 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
"When you want to be enlightened as badly as you wanted to take your next breath just now, come back and see me."





I totally agree with this, but its also impossible to make yourself have that intense desire, it just comes about naturally
Do we have to suffer for this desire to come about? Id say yes & no
I certainly lost interest in everything for a while, nothing in the world interested me, not even girls
Now that same intense drive to stay true is still there, but the waves of superficial desire still play on the surface quite fine...
I still have interests etc... its like everything suddenly falls away, your world crumbles, you let it all go, which can be painful
But then it all comes back and dances in a much more graceful way, its more playful & light, like now your not carrying any burdens, now everything is animated by spaciousness, by consciousness

You have to be willing to lose it all, but you don't really lose anything at all, its just a test to see how 'up for it' you really are

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Alas, most of us, myself included, are merely in search of, at best, "feeling better,"




Its fine & natural to seek out how to feel better, but underlying that search is a much deeper search, the search to bring the mind to recognize the limitless perfection of the Self, that is always perfect, not 'when i become enlightened ill be perfect' its perfection now & always, not when & then.

All in all the identity that is seeking enlightenemnt is what must thin out for what we call 'enlightenment' to reveal itself
So in a way, even wanting it is taking away from the experience of it, as its assuming a separation that doesn't exist
What we really 'want' is understanding, yet in the understanding there is no more 'want', just silent understanding to remain still, keep quiet

Like the article finishes...

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Our True Nature is who we already are, not something we can become or attain in the future. The paradox becomes that we somehow don't recognize this fact and spend years searching for something that was never lost, and if we're fortunate, we'll run into a teacher along the way who will simply, as the Tibetan Dzogchen tradition puts it, "point out" what is perfectly obvious




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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: The Chronic]
    #13427494 - 11/03/10 08:44 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I think what is necessary is that intense drive for the truth, but entwined with the understanding that its not one millimetre from where you are right now


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: The Chronic]
    #13429617 - 11/03/10 05:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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And so forth and so on; the message seems to be that enlightenment, or the realization of Truth, is not a casual affair for mere spiritual tourists, but only for the very rare individual willing to sacrifice any and everything, including his or her very life, in its pursuit.



that's the part i don't buy. i know good examples of people who didn't sacrifice shit and had lasting experiences of some kind of ego loss. i'm intentionally not calling it enlightenment cause i have no fucking clue. but it sounded like their end of suffering.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: moi]
    #13430391 - 11/03/10 08:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need to sacrifice everything to have the realization of Truth.
That just happens once you realize Truth, you will not be attached to anything in the same way, so it will be very easy for you to give up anything. You can still like certain things but you will not be attached to them.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: Mr Fantasy]
    #13430439 - 11/03/10 08:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't need to sacrifice everything to have the realization of Truth.
That just happens once you realize Truth, you will not be attached to anything in the same way, so it will be very easy for you to give up anything. You can still like certain things but you will not be attached to them.




Its so true, its easy mistake the after effects of awakening for prerequisites for awakening


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13430485 - 11/03/10 08:28 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I like that quote.

I think this illustrates a nifty point that mystical mumbo jumbo need not be defended on seperate criteria than any other fact or truth.

This essay, I suppose, is a neat little discussion that is appealing on its face, and when examined deeper seems to yield many truths regardless of the individual's proclivity to believe some of the more esoteric "mystical" truths advanced by some.

I don't see any reason why things like this need to be shut off from the world and critique, as some seem to insist due to what I'd charecterize as cognitive dissonance between what they want to believe and what is apparent.




I like the discussion of what it takes to be enlightened especially.  It seems valid regardless of what you consider "enlightened", even if you construe it as just another extreme in the range of human experience and emotion. 

I don't get this part though: 

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So he, too, naturally, makes statements like, "All that's required is an arm and a leg? That's it?" He can't believe his good fortune to learn that "waking up" is such a bargain. Living without a few limbs, he says, is far preferable to even one more moment of living a lie.




I think this misses the point of the tale, that being that: you must be able to freely give up those things, the arm, leg, whathaveyou.  Meerly willing to trade one for the other does not seem to be the criteria, but rather that one must be willing to freely part with that which is valued without unnecessary emotional attachment and suffering.  It seems analogous to the difference in being willing to purchase some piece of mind for a thousand dollars (prozac, mystic crystals/stones, sports cars) versus willing to give away the thousand dollars without suffering or emotional attachment- the absence of which may give you some piece of mind.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13445436 - 11/06/10 10:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I've been writing to Jed McKenna for a few months. So-called 'Spiritual Autolysis' actually works.

Burn it all, what good is it anyway. :onfire:


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: Rev. Morton]
    #13445996 - 11/07/10 12:57 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Spiritual autolysis seems pretty similar to self inquiry from what I just read about it.


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: g00ru]
    #13446121 - 11/07/10 01:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I really enjoyed reading this post. I find myself feeling the same way about the enlightenment thing lately.

I met a girl who was a very trippy sort once, and when she told me she didn't trip anymore I asked her why. She told me it was because she didn't want to always be at one with everything.

The differentiated universe exists for a reason, and the reason is because we like it that way. It's very novel and interesting. Enlightenment as the realization of all phenomenon being illusional, just doesn't compare for most people with the experience of being able to believe in the people you love being seperate entities, and all the beautiful phenomenon of life being "real".


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: g00ru]
    #13446886 - 11/07/10 06:05 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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guruu said:
Spiritual autolysis seems pretty similar to self inquiry from what I just read about it.




Its 'focusing on what is actually true' so its ultimately a process of your mind dissolving into truth, which is Self, so it is like Self inquiry

I feel Self inquiry is the most reliable way of practicing this type of focusing as the question is always on you, and you are always here, so its totally reliable (not that the Self needs anything to lean on or that there could be anything separate from it to do so)

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Burn it all, what good is it anyway. :onfire:




Im feelin that glitchmob link MM!


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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: The Chronic]
    #13446990 - 11/07/10 07:26 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

To risk and sacrifice everything in order to wake up... this is what comes to my mind, on that matter.



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Re: Why I Am Not Enlightened [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #13449017 - 11/07/10 05:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think I am willing to give it all up - no arm, no leg... I feel like most Enlightened beings were awakened through the hell they were born into.




it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

you got it toyota!

hence the austerities that holy men endure to further their minds reach.

when the going gets tough, the tough get going


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