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Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only.
    #13256597 - 09/28/10 12:17 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I don't deserve to be able to post here and actually a lot of people don't.

I'm not crossing strains, or trying to make spore less Oysters.

If you're not a sponsor or supporter, don't have the Trusted cultivator tag, a Mycology degree (or are in the midst getting of one), a trusted identifier tag or have 4 positive ratings by people who do belong here you shouldn't be allowed to open your mouth here.



That includes me.
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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Peterthinks]
    #13256754 - 09/28/10 12:43 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

That would sure cut down on the number of threads we have to lock or move daily.  However, input from anyone with an idea is welcome.
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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: RogerRabbit] * 2
    #13256789 - 09/28/10 12:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

People should just respect it, and not post Bs in here, Such as this thread and this response, since it has nothing to with mycology at all let alone advanced :shrug:


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: idunno]
    #13257415 - 09/28/10 04:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

How will anybody learn?  :apestheclown:

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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #13257548 - 09/28/10 05:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well, sometimes there are a lot of annoying and stupid threads here, but advanced mycology should stay open, so everybody can ask questions.

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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Mycelio] * 1
    #13257790 - 09/28/10 09:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It should stay open.

The forums wouldn't get stupid threads posted all the time if everyone just took the damn time to read all the rules and stickies at the top of each forum.

I honestly think that when one joins the shroomery,they should have a 3 to 5 day probationary period where all they can do is read the rules of the different forums...that way there are NO excuses.


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Mycelio]
    #13258912 - 09/28/10 02:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think it should be as open as possible. The last thing you want is discouraging people because they are worried about their views and how they'd be perceived. I'm reminded of that saying; there are no dumb questions, just dumb asses who don't ask them. :laugh:

I remember the shroomery was the first forum I ever joined, at the time I was actually quite scared to even make a post! If I had been burnt at first I would probably have never come back, and would not be the person I am today. Mushrooms threw some fuel on my ambition, which led me down the path to my degree. Funnily enough, my 2nd post was attempted in the advanced forum. It was over 8 long years ago, I was 16, and I probably wanted to try and sound smart. :rolleyes:

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3015 Days ago Feelers said:
I this an idea after doing a Bio project on mutations, and was thinking about how it would effect mushrooms.
I remembered the albino spores that P.F sells,  and they said it was just a random mutation,  as happens in nature every so often. So with this in mind,  i think that if someone were to take a spore print,  or a developing mushroom and expose it to large amounts of x-rays,  the next generation of spores taken from this should have a large amout of abnormalities,  depending how many x-rays it were exposed to. I have no idea how many x-rays this would take,  or how you would sneek the spores into the x-ray room,  but presumably the spores would vary wildly,  and probably need to be grown on agar,  and the resulting mushrooms would probably be infertile,  but even so,  this sounds quite similar to the P.F Albino,  and maybe would have some interesting characheristics............I cant do this myself as i dont have the ability to get into the xray room,  but i was thinking maybe others could try this out such as med students,  or ask permission from the hospital or something, or maybe some people could suggest other mutagens that might do the same job...............

What are all your thoughts..............................? 




I cringe now (especially from all those commas!), but fortunately I was replied to in a non-elitist way and pointed in the right direction. I think if anyone joins up we should employ the Socratic method of teaching, and not the exclusionary one.


Besides it can be quite dead in here at times. :grin:


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Feelers]
    #13259771 - 09/28/10 05:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I believe that you should allow everyone to view this section. Using the above criteria I also would be banned from the first forum I read when going on here. I don't have any advanced degrees other than an Arborist license. I do however have an interest in mycoremediation and am quite well versed in general mycological practices. I have not been rated by anyone as far as I know so I would be barred from questioning and contributing?


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: clueless]
    #13259948 - 09/28/10 05:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Im still really new, but i have found (in my limited experience) that Advance Mycology section to be one of the most interesting sections with soem of the most diverse topics available. Some of these topics have really made me sit back and be like "wow there is a lot of shit i don't even have a clue about but im definitely interested in" and it has just been a fuel for creativity. In all truthfulness my time spent reading the Advanced Mycology section is what first got me to post and keep checking back to see if something new is happening.

kind of a wall of text sorry. But i think the Advance Mycology section is a super valuable resource for even the newest members to see some of the more diverse and thought provoking topics this site has to offer.


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Mycelio]
    #13261710 - 09/28/10 11:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

idunno said:
People should just respect it, and not post Bs in here, Such as this thread and this response, since it has nothing to with mycology at all let alone advanced :shrug:




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PrimalSoup said:
How will anybody learn?




Exactly :yesnod:


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Well, sometimes there are a lot of annoying and stupid threads here, 





That's one of the reasons why we have Moderators....to sort out all the annoying and stupid threads....like this one. :facepalm:


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: nexus1946]
    #13262052 - 09/29/10 12:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Why not just make a child forum in this forum that allows everyone to read but not everyone to post?
Best of both worlds...


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Burbles]
    #13264618 - 09/29/10 02:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:hi:Hi; the problem I see is who gets to determine:n00bslayer:if a person is qualified to post in this forum instead of let’s say general cultivation, ex. Myself I'm been an amateur/hobbyist mycologist since 1969 and have a fair amount of knowledge of this hobby. Because of my relaxed writing style and the fact that writing doesn’t come naturally to me, I can be easily dismissed. But on the other hand there have been a number of persons over the years that have a great line but are full of BS, out right bad or twisted information and out date research papers. Most times this information has been proven to be poorly craft at best by those of us that have been around for a time and have seen it before. Too many people will go wow this person is an expert. When in reality they are nothing more than an undergraduate or community college student armed with the college's subscription research engine that they may have been give access to for fact checking and getting their citations correct in the papers they submit for course work.  They don't have a life and have nothing better to do than troll a round for worthless information to try and impress other people with. Many times it's taken out of context or is something that has been dealt with many times over the years, both here and over at topia. They do nothing but reinvent the wheel over and over again.:slowtard:Arguing points that have been proven moot many years ago. Again people will appalled them as though they are to this hobby what Einstein was to physics.
So who could be that :dancinghitler:Nazi who has the divine wisdom to say if a person is qualified to post here or not and who is for real or not!
I have a better idea. Way not just notify a moderator:courtjudge:if you feel a post is not appropriate for this forum. Unless of course you fancy yourself as being that :dancinghitler:Nazi!
That’s just my feeling on this and opinions are like ass holes we all have one; CheeWiz :mushdance:

I would like to add this belated point. If you want to see what a self anointed oligarchy would be like. Look back a few years over at topia when Hippie would be holding court and only a small hand full of his favorites were allowed to contribute anything of value. It was nothing but this bantering back and forth between them. Everybody else was brushed off as being of little important most of the times.



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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: CheeWiz]
    #13265039 - 09/29/10 04:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I really like reading through this section. If it was going to change I would say just make it so us noobs can not post but can still read. As there are some fantastic threads :smile:


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: tusca]
    #13265312 - 09/29/10 05:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You realize that there is a suggestions/feedback forum, which is where this should have been posted.

    Anyways, there are a lot of amateur and hobbyist mycologists who benefit from this forum. What would be the point in having all the people who already know the advanced procedures in a single forum? There wouldn't be much of a forum at all.

    Now a question to the OP. Where would you suggest the advanced questions from people who didn't have access to this forum be posted?

    Anyways, I think it's a dumb idea and counter productive to the whole idea of generating more mycologists. When technically, there are like maybe 1 or 2 people here who are actual mycologist or taxonomists. Most of the people are amateurs.


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #13265394 - 09/29/10 05:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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How will anybody learn?  :apestheclown:

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That was my thought.

I know it probably is a pain to keep cleaned up with many people not understanding what to post here, but it's kind of a "Hazard o' the Forum".

We throw people into stuff way over their water so they can learn to swim. Lifeguards are present. This is just like the post-grad area.

Besides, booger, you left out doctors! :lol: I gotta flop around trying to learn some of this stuff too,`as much of it as I have been cramming down people since '98 :lol:


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: curenado]
    #13265447 - 09/29/10 05:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Also, wanting an advanced mycology section that isn't contaminated with noobs is an idiotic goal when you have places like the pub and other off topic things around this forum.

If anyone cares so much, why not make their own forum for advanced mycology only, on a different website?

If your not willing to take action than I guess you'll have to live with this...


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: Burbles]
    #13265499 - 09/29/10 05:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I understand and I included have been guilty, but after all this is a community and maybe people do take a serious interest in mycology and want to know more than just inoculating PF cakes, and they need some guidance from members that have more of a grasp on whats going on than some of the newer members in other forums. Remember we are or where all Noobs at some point. sure people might not ask the appropriate questions but none the less they are asking them and should make those with experience feel good to be able to be helpful.


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #13265662 - 09/29/10 05:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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How will anybody learn?




By reading the actual advanced posts and keeping quiet unless they can actually add something constructive to the thread.


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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #13266534 - 09/29/10 09:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

A elitist idea to be certain, I self admittedly am at the bottom of the food chain in here, and have a ton of respect for the senior members, but I still feel like I have a place here because It is difficult to participate in the general cultivation forum where it is hard to be taken seriously when the average workspace is a kitchen or spare bedroom at best. I am in the final stages of construction of my new 4 room spawn generation lab, state of the art, if anyone told me that I could not post here because I don't have enough post in, or am not a acedemic,  I would be deeply offended and hurt. Mushrooms are my life and I am mainly here to learn, and need to interact with the forum to serve that process.

Notice I don't post questions that research could answer (pretty much everything has been written and in the archives here)and only try to field questions from persons less experienced or persons putting forth interesting what if's.

Seems to me that this kind of elite ideology is really only meant to serve the Ego of those validating such nonsense. Perhaps what my mother said about such persons is true, advocating the exclusion of others only to serve the security of the aggressor in the group

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Re: Advanced Mycology section should be Invite only. [Re: mycoelf]
    #13266739 - 09/29/10 09:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

:congrats: well put.


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