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Society defines people in a number of ways, whether you like it or not. Religion, skin color, race, sexual orientation are just a few. You can play pretend and delude yourself into believing that you are above definition all you like.
In the end, you are just creating a straw man so you can pretend you won the argument. Either you are a shitty troll or simply lack reading comprehension.
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Anonymous #14
Re: I think religion as a whole [Re: Anonymous #17] #13228448 - 09/21/10 09:00 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)
You are talking about how you define yourself not how society defines you. You are the one with reading comprehension problems. How society defines you is not how you have to define yourself.
Society defines drug users in a way that is not the same as I define myself.
If you prefer to be a victim, go ahead, I don't care.
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Anonymous #14
Re: I think religion as a whole [Re: Anonymous #17] #13228455 - 09/21/10 09:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #17 said: I find it annoying to have to define my own belief system based the faith of the masses. I do not like calling myself an atheist because I do not want to substantiate
Here is the quote since you don't seem to even know what you said.
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Anonymous #8
Re: I think religion as a whole [Re: Anonymous #17] #13228507 - 09/21/10 09:18 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #17 said: ...Even more annoying is that these unsubstantiated beliefs have an ENORMOUS bearing on the structure of the government. These people are often the ones pulling the strings in everyone's lives: be it justifying wars, justifying homophobia and racism, or simply trying to prevent science from being taught in public schools and universities. When is the last time you saw scientists protesting a church teaching Biblical fundamentalism?
I do not think anyone should be forced to be atheist. No rational atheist would support this. On the other hand, people should be educated with scientific philosophy and scientific truths. Examples: molecules, atoms, cosmology, forces, and the universe at large. They really exist and it can be publicly verified across literally any culture and society. Religions conflict each other in nearly every culture and within each culture- probably the majority of them possess dogma which conflict publicly verifiable scientific evidence.
Okay first of all, it isn't Christians who run the American government, who you are likely pointing the finger at. But they do use Christianity as tool to move the American people to support their causes which is truly fucking horrible.
But really, if it wasn't religion, wouldn't they just use some other tool to enslave the masses? Religion is just the obvious, easy choice. You obviously put too much faith in humans, many humans are fucking animals that will use anything means to exploit others. To blame this trait on religion is frankly, stupid. It is human nature driving this problem, religion is simply the tool they use to execute their deeds. To blame religion on all the evil of today is like blaming the knife in a murder and not the murderer. Simply look at how fucking evil the U.S.S.R. was, an atheist regime that systematically murdered many many times more people than even the wildest claims against The 3rd Reich.
And also, atheists ignore all the good that religion has given to society, do you really think early civilization would have even been possible if large groups of people weren't somehow bought together, united under one cause and their tribal ways 'ironed out' without religion? I find it highly unlikely civilization would have ever emerged to the extent of today without religion. Various religions worldwide set out a code of conduct for the people to abide by, gave them a greater cause to work together for with a strict code of ethics to follow. Religion taught people to be good and to be good to one another, it would be interesting to see what would happened to humanity without it.
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Anonymous #4
Re: I think religion as a whole [Re: Anonymous #8] #13228636 - 09/21/10 09:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #14 said: You are talking about how you define yourself not how society defines you. You are the one with reading comprehension problems. How society defines you is not how you have to define yourself.
Society defines drug users in a way that is not the same as I define myself.
If you prefer to be a victim, go ahead, I don't care.
Okay.... good for you. But society has constraints, and you must acknowledge them to participate in society. Human beings are extraordinarily social creatures; to believe that you can completely define yourself 100% separate from society is delusional.