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 Icelander
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 Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update)  [Re: MycOhunter]
#11926968 - 01/29/10 09:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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From the look of your posts I'd have to say you're full of it. 
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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 This1s4Terence
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: Icelander]
#11928030 - 01/30/10 04:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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this brings a tear to my eye. i never thought in my life that medical psylocibin would really get anywhere, but this is really all ive wanted to see inthe world. realizations about psychedelics being beneficial in some way is the only point i try to make when talking about currently illegal substances in the world today (and that there is a HUGE difference between diff type of drugs like meth is way worse to catch your kid with than pot, and that you cant just compile all substances into a single "drugs" category)
what i really wanna see and would love to participate in is using psylocibin for alcoholism and other drug addictions. ive seen some things on the topic before in the documentary "other worlds" about ayahuasca and shamanism. i want to go to school and become a drug and alcohol counselor and help people overcome this problem that tears away at families and haunts individuals, but the experiences ive had with psychedelics have given me the most beautiful visions and epiphanies. see my dad has a terrible history of losing wives being abusive and making all around bad choices with alcohol and it seems like its been a part of his life for so long that i dont see any regular therapies working for him. but if i could get him into a smooth and comfortable loving happy yet eye opening potent inspiring trip, hed probably bawl his eyes out and reflect on his life and the problems alcohol has caused for him.
ive seen psylocibin used in alcoholism experiments before and they said that long term effects were swearing off alcohol and never using again, with the people running the experiment performing check ups up to 40 yrs later. that is just beautiful
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: This1s4Terence]
#11928040 - 01/30/10 04:27 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not everybody gets good results with psychedelics; I think it would be a mistake to put so much trust in anything.
I think that psychedelic research should go on and be done in different circumstances, and I most definitely don't see any reason why they, or any other drug should be illegal, but I think that people should be fully informed about what psychedelics can help one achieve, as well as what they can't do. For instance, I wouldn't like to spread the false hope that psychedelics will cure any addiction, because it isn't true. A person still needs to put a lot of work into straightening their addictive personality, with or without psychedelics.
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
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curenado
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: MushroomTrip]
#11928469 - 01/30/10 08:14 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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If neurotropics (psychoactives or "entheogens) can open a doorway for a person to allowing love and belonging, self esteem and the reach toward self actualization then they have been therapeutic - it's the presence of the other side of those coins that is the risk and many people think "set & setting" while maybe good enough in concept and study selling are not guarantees nor can they be "canned" and counted on every time. The current research may help some people and move towards some way of "canning" these things (and thereby people) but that will have to remain to be seen. The CIA made a similar effort way back.
It seems like trying to cause every snowflake to fit in a coat when maybe the approach should be to find a coat that fits every snowflake, if such a thing can be done. The data derived from these studies will serve multiple purposes - and we're back to the above coin analogy.
A lot of variables in playing with snowflakes and awhile before all the arguments can find their place even on a page for better consideration.
However I still don't know how well the attempt to manipulate people at their deeper and deepest levels to a lasting or permanent effect consistently with "neuro-flash" will go, regardless of the motives of such manipulation.
It is the motives of such manipulation that warrant scrutiny and what may be done with this data that are of human ethical and societal concern - Gates just needs you to be hooked up in your matrix pod contentedly consuming along the course of your professionally planned financially beneficial life at a minimal overhead and Ghandi just hopes you'll find your warrior or butterfly. In the end both may not find all they hoped for in snowflake wrangling efforts after this fashion....
Whoops! I forgot the "Brought to you by CarlsJr" - OK!
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Edited by curenado (01/30/10 08:26 AM)
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curenado
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: curenado]
#11928526 - 01/30/10 08:29 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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MT said:
<<Not everybody gets good results with psychedelics; I think it would be a mistake to put so much trust in anything.
I think that psychedelic research should go on and be done in different circumstances, and I most definitely don't see any reason why they, or any other drug should be illegal, but I think that people should be fully informed about what psychedelics can help one achieve, as well as what they can't do. For instance, I wouldn't like to spread the false hope that psychedelics will cure any addiction, because it isn't true. A person still needs to put a lot of work into straightening their addictive personality, with or without psychedelics. >>
and I'll re-post and second that...
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"The woods are lovely, dark and deep; but I have patches to keep, and jars to sterilize before I sleep...."
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MycOhunter
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: Icelander]
#11929036 - 01/30/10 10:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
From the look of your posts I'd have to say you're full of it.
That is your call to make, but at least my shit is holy and not unholy 
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Icelander
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: MycOhunter]
#11934404 - 01/31/10 07:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's how everyone feels about their own 
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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UroboroS
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Re: Cancer Anxiety Study with Psilocybin (2010 - Update) [Re: Icelander]
#13202999 - 09/16/10 06:25 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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one likes their own brand
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