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 I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke 
#13183627 - 09/12/10 08:24 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I just finished listening to Terence Mckenna's lecture "alien dreamtime" on youtube and just couldn't get over to the way he speaks to it. While I was listening it felt as if I was hearing someone completly fucked up by drugs talking gibberish and It was as if my brain automatically rejected his whole speech.
But then, if I read his speech in silence I find many of his ideas and the way he organizes his ideas very interesting and apealing.
Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
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Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
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I just finished listening to Terence Mckenna's lecture "alien dreamtime" on youtube and just couldn't get over to the way he speaks to it. While I was listening it felt as if I was hearing someone completly fucked up by drugs talking gibberish and It was as if my brain automatically rejected his whole speech.
But then, if I read his speech in silence I find many of his ideas and the way he organizes his ideas very interesting and apealing.
Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
Of the many, many lectures featuring Terence Mckenna, Alien Dreamtime is the only one where he speaks like this. I don't know what the deal is, it's some kind of experiment. But go find a real lecture by Terence McKenna and enjoy his unadulterated brilliance. (Try youtube playlists).
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 Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: solstice]
#13183709 - 09/12/10 08:50 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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(In my opinion)
His word's are beyond extraneous and anecdotal. McKenna was a great thinker, but I agree his speech's lack any sort of linear flow. It's funny how many tangents he goes off on when people ask questions, he almost never directly answers a question. So if your into hearing someone babble about things using pretty words and analogies than yea mckenna is rad, but if the goal is to learn something, than it's not really worth the time.
He claimed to follow a lot of the buddhist ideologies, but his thoughts and words resonate so far from this... He was definitely a sensationalist.
He links almost all of his insights directly to psychedelics and gives himself little credit as if his mind had little to do with the interaction... Maybe he knew if he said these idea's were his alone, not to many would care to listen. Instead it's a clever marketing scheme whether intentional or not to use illicit substances as a means of appealing to an audience.
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: Libertin]
#13183734 - 09/12/10 08:57 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I just finished listening to Terence Mckenna's lecture "alien dreamtime" on youtube and just couldn't get over to the way he speaks to it. While I was listening it felt as if I was hearing someone completly fucked up by drugs talking gibberish and It was as if my brain automatically rejected his whole speech.
But then, if I read his speech in silence I find many of his ideas and the way he organizes his ideas very interesting and apealing.
Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
Of the many, many lectures featuring Terence Mckenna, Alien Dreamtime is the only one where he speaks like this. I don't know what the deal is, it's some kind of experiment. But go find a real lecture by Terence McKenna and enjoy his unadulterated brilliance. (Try youtube playlists).
Well it is good to know that he didn't always talk like that, maybe it was kind of an artistic experiment of some sort.
I find his "novelty" theories really interesting, does anyone know if the graphs he made pointed out to 2012 while he knew about all the mayan calendar thing or was it coincidence?
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The way he talks in Alien Dreamtime kind of reminds me of Michael Scott explaining dance:
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: Cynic]
#13183810 - 09/12/10 09:24 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Im pretty sure Alien Dreamtime is considered a rap (free flow speaking) and I'm pretty sure its from a huge event with like 3 raves, so he's probably talking to a bunch of people thatre trippin face. So I think its aimed toward the grandoise, I'm pretty sure he was paid to make a crazy speech thatd trip people out.
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I just finished listening to Terence Mckenna's lecture "alien dreamtime" on youtube and just couldn't get over to the way he speaks to it. While I was listening it felt as if I was hearing someone completly fucked up by drugs talking gibberish and It was as if my brain automatically rejected his whole speech.
But then, if I read his speech in silence I find many of his ideas and the way he organizes his ideas very interesting and apealing.
Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
I get what you're saying, but he doesn't usually talk like this. I'm sure whoever posted this has f*cked around with his voice by slowing it down or something.
I usually love his voice and find it very soothing to listen to before going to sleep. He is probably my favourite public speaker - ever - and he is a true word-smith.
Listen to 'operating system' (only 10mins long), and 'how to do psychedelics' is very enjoyable to listen to (only 40mins).
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: Psilocypher]
#13183964 - 09/12/10 10:11 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm a big McKenna fan and have been for a few years now and have never been able to watch Alien Dreamtime. It's not a representation of who McKenna is, it's just entertainment as other posters have mentioned.
My favorite McKenna talks are not when he's raving to a crowd or is even sitting in a front hall giving a lecture, but rather when he's in a relaxed atmosphere just simply talking and telling stories and so forth. The 'Rites of Spring' recorded talk comes to mind right now but there are many more.
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: phx1]
#13184007 - 09/12/10 10:28 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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don't know much about mckenna
i liked learys books, a lot of people said he was just some california acid head drop out
of course he SAID tune in turn on and drop out
drugs make you think crazy things. Leary hated politics, he wanted to rid the world of economic settings and power etc.
unfortunately you need those things, as much as he hate them. you find a better way and i'll say you told me so
but in the mean time to cope 
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: imachavel]
#13184089 - 09/12/10 10:48 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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drugs make you think crazy things. Leary hated politics, he wanted to rid the world of economic settings and power etc.
unfortunately you need those things,
Yeah... food grows on supermarket shelves and electricity is produced from scratch by certain people who sell it to you.
We don't need those things. We have been lead to accept them and take them for granted. What would you do if stores were suddenly unable to fill their shelves? What would you do if companies were no longer able to supply the power demand?
Would you die? Woud you cease to exist?
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: Psilocypher]
#13193766 - 09/14/10 09:51 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I just finished listening to Terence Mckenna's lecture "alien dreamtime" on youtube and just couldn't get over to the way he speaks to it. While I was listening it felt as if I was hearing someone completly fucked up by drugs talking gibberish and It was as if my brain automatically rejected his whole speech.
But then, if I read his speech in silence I find many of his ideas and the way he organizes his ideas very interesting and apealing.
Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
I get what you're saying, but he doesn't usually talk like this. I'm sure whoever posted this has f*cked around with his voice by slowing it down or something.
I usually love his voice and find it very soothing to listen to before going to sleep. He is probably my favourite public speaker - ever - and he is a true word-smith.
Listen to 'operating system' (only 10mins long), and 'how to do psychedelics' is very enjoyable to listen to (only 40mins).
Boy, was I wrong. Not only I really enjoyed listening to those lectures but he talks completly differently, in a way that the way he talks doesn't distract me from what he is actually saying.
It is amazing how deep he can go in describing a psychedelic experience.
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It is amazing how deep he can go in describing a psychedelic experience.
Yes! And that's why he's the BEST. Completely unrivalled imo.
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: Libertin]
#13194009 - 09/14/10 10:52 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: imachavel]
#13194039 - 09/14/10 11:01 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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imachavel said: you find a better way and i'll say you told me so
A better way has always existed, but the nature of our culture is that people do not listen to people 'outside' the system.
So all those people living nice, peaceful lives off the grid and away from all the bullshit usually don't even bother trying to educate people; it's a waste of time.
I look forward to joining them, the rest of the world be damned.
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: Ubitsa]
#13199960 - 09/15/10 02:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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imachavel said: you find a better way and i'll say you told me so
A better way has always existed, but the nature of our culture is that people do not listen to people 'outside' the system.
So all those people living nice, peaceful lives off the grid and away from all the bullshit usually don't even bother trying to educate people; it's a waste of time.
I look forward to joining them, the rest of the world be damned.
Good luck on your quest my friend, I share the same goal.
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I just finished listening to Terence Mckenna's lecture "alien dreamtime" on youtube and just couldn't get over to the way he speaks to it. While I was listening it felt as if I was hearing someone completly fucked up by drugs talking gibberish and It was as if my brain automatically rejected his whole speech.
But then, if I read his speech in silence I find many of his ideas and the way he organizes his ideas very interesting and apealing.
Is there a specific reason to the way he lectures or the way he speaks, it kinda kept bugging me.
Of the many, many lectures featuring Terence Mckenna, Alien Dreamtime is the only one where he speaks like this. I don't know what the deal is, it's some kind of experiment. But go find a real lecture by Terence McKenna and enjoy his unadulterated brilliance. (Try youtube playlists).
Well it is good to know that he didn't always talk like that, maybe it was kind of an artistic experiment of some sort.
I find his "novelty" theories really interesting, does anyone know if the graphs he made pointed out to 2012 while he knew about all the mayan calendar thing or was it coincidence?
Coincidence. However with his original placing of the timeline, novelty went thru the roof and 'time ended' or however you want to word it in November of 2012. It wasn't until he adjusted it just a smidgeon when Dec 21 2012 lined up.
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Boy, was I wrong. Not only I really enjoyed listening to those lectures but he talks completly differently, in a way that the way he talks doesn't distract me from what he is actually saying.
It is amazing how deep he can go in describing a psychedelic experience.
Haha, glad you like them. There are some good longer ones but I can't remember the names, but I will try and find the ones I'm thinking of.
The DMT descriptions are always enjoyable to listen to if you've not already come across them.
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: smaerd]
#13200714 - 09/15/10 05:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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(In my opinion)
His word's are beyond extraneous and anecdotal. McKenna was a great thinker, but I agree his speech's lack any sort of linear flow. It's funny how many tangents he goes off on when people ask questions, he almost never directly answers a question. So if your into hearing someone babble about things using pretty words and analogies than yea mckenna is rad, but if the goal is to learn something, than it's not really worth the time.
He claimed to follow a lot of the buddhist ideologies, but his thoughts and words resonate so far from this... He was definitely a sensationalist.
He links almost all of his insights directly to psychedelics and gives himself little credit as if his mind had little to do with the interaction... Maybe he knew if he said these idea's were his alone, not to many would care to listen. Instead it's a clever marketing scheme whether intentional or not to use illicit substances as a means of appealing to an audience.
This post is some spot-on criticism imo.
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Re: I hate the way Terence McKenna spoke [Re: matter0ni]
#13203200 - 09/16/10 07:41 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I find his "novelty" theories really interesting, does anyone know if the graphs he made pointed out to 2012 while he knew about all the mayan calendar thing or was it coincidence?
Coincidence. However with his original placing of the timeline, novelty went thru the roof and 'time ended' or however you want to word it in November of 2012. It wasn't until he adjusted it just a smidgeon when Dec 21 2012 lined up.
True. But it's worth pointing out that after he adjusted it, the rest of the novelty/time graph lined up even better than it did in the first place. Weird how a man taking psilocybin mushrooms can come to the same conclusion as an ancient civilization. Were the Mayans involved with mushrooms too? Very interesting stuff anyway.
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