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 blujay
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 Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: Humility]
#13099383 - 08/25/10 09:29 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Humility said:
I don't think Prop 19 is written very well at all. A few counties currently have far more tolerant laws than Prop 19 allows for.
How the fuck is tolerating something better than outright allowing it?!?!??!?!
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: blujay]
#13099581 - 08/25/10 10:06 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Is it possible to vote over the internet? I'm nowhere near California but I'd love to vote.
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: pfxtc]
#13102611 - 08/25/10 08:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I see a lot of people celebrating before the game is over. I still have not gotten an answer from anyone who can say what they are going to do when this is challenged in court and it is ruled illegal.
What then? Whine? Lynch the supreme court? Write your senator a nasty letter? What is the plan when this is declared illegal?
Because this is a legalization of a recreational drug not a claimed medicinal drug. If the feds can be defied on a recreational drug like marijuana, what is to stop states from legalizing cocaine, mushrooms, methamphetamine, heroine and ecstasy? How can the federal government let this go but not the other recreational drugs? I really think most people are being naive about this.
I know the country is crumbling economically, and rightfully so for its despicable crimes but you have to realize that the courts are a bulwark against empowerment of the people. Watch for the supreme court to make it's move. They are the status quo and this drug war is a key tool in control of the domestic population and foreign nations by the US government.
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: dondoodle]
#13102938 - 08/25/10 09:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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dondoodle said:
what is to stop states from legalizing cocaine, mushrooms, methamphetamine, heroine and ecstasy? How can the federal government let this go but not the other recreational drugs? I really think most people are being naive about this.
because marijuana is a harmless natural plant that has proven medical benefits, and has been used as medicine for thousands of years  
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 LongStrangeTrip
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: dondoodle]
#13104247 - 08/26/10 06:30 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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dondoodle said:
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dondoodle said:
I see a lot of people celebrating before the game is over. I still have not gotten an answer from anyone who can say what they are going to do when this is challenged in court and it is ruled illegal.
What then? Whine? Lynch the supreme court? Write your senator a nasty letter? What is the plan when this is declared illegal?
Because this is a legalization of a recreational drug not a claimed medicinal drug. If the feds can be defied on a recreational drug like marijuana, what is to stop states from legalizing cocaine, mushrooms, methamphetamine, heroine and ecstasy? How can the federal government let this go but not the other recreational drugs? I really think most people are being naive about this.
I know the country is crumbling economically, and rightfully so for its despicable crimes but you have to realize that the courts are a bulwark against empowerment of the people. Watch for the supreme court to make it's move. They are the status quo and this drug war is a key tool in control of the domestic population and foreign nations by the US government.
We have only had the schedule system since the early seventies dude, and the Nixon administration. And, the thing keeping states from legalizing mushrooms, cocaine, ect., is that droves and droves of people will not show up at the polls to vote on legalizing them; but they will with cannabis!
The schedule system has been in place since 1972, and it is 2010; that's 38 years. 38 years. If (and I'm not arguing really) this is really "state control", it has not been going on (in such a way) for THAT long. If you look at prisoner numbers in the 70's, they were 15 times less of them than their are today. We have ballooned in less than 4 decades. I always think of the drug war as "new jim crow" laws as well, as they do so well at keeping minorities from low income areas streaming in and out of prisons.
I am just saying, it has not been that long. The only "naive" people are the ones who think that this system just cannot change. What do you think the feds are going to do? You really think they cannot be defeated on this one?
I understand how people look at the law / especially drug law as being something that is "untouchable", or its something that will just never change. That's stupid. Your saying that because you think politics are stagnated; but it flows people, and fluctuates! We have not had this crazy ass prohibition that long; try to think BEYOND 40 or 50 years. And why could it not change? Yea, this is the America that elected George bush; but we are also the country that is going to legalize cannabis! What, democracy is dead already, your already giving up? its already over? No motherfuckers, YOU STILL GET TO VOTE!
Your seeing the country change, quit being scarred and get the fuck ready!!  
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blujay
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: pfxtc]
#13104270 - 08/26/10 06:43 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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pfxtc said:
Is it possible to vote over the internet? I'm nowhere near California but I'd love to vote.
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: blujay]
#13106389 - 08/26/10 04:30 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't get hopes up about legal mj. Take a look at icmag canna law and legalization forums (they have the biggest collection of cali med growers of any forum, is why I mention them) Most of the faggots there want to keep things how they are because they're raking in big profits, and want to keep it that way. ESPECIALLY people involved with or running dispensaries (which is A LOT) 
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: John]
#13106538 - 08/26/10 05:15 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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john - prop 19 really fucks up the distribution network that is currently going on. Competition and innovation will be stifled due to restrictions on plant numbers and bud counts. YOUR BUD WILL COST MORE, AND WILL BE WAY MORE SHITTY THAN IT IS NOW.
It's better how it is now. I'd say wait for something more solid to come around than prop 19.
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: Humility]
#13106615 - 08/26/10 05:40 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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no that's buullshit and it doesn't change prop 215 either... there's no reason to vote no but greed. it's not a perfect solution but it's a lot better than now. Not to mention the precedent it will set.
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: John]
#13106870 - 08/26/10 06:46 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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John, Prop 19 is bad legislation man. It further restricts what is currently a VERY gray market. In some areas of California people are growing LEGAL 100+ plant setups. That will be significantly more difficult to do once Prop 19 comes in to play.
There is a hard cap of 25 sq. feet per garden per RESIDENCE (I could be wrong, but that's how it reads to me, seems pretty clear too). That is not good john. for some areas ("6 mature plants" spots), that is an improvement, and I'd wager that you're from one of those areas. For some areas however, that is a severe restriction.
The penalties for selling to people younger than 21 are also really harsh, in some cases far more harsh than they are today. You're talking about people in college going to jail because they sold to people in college. Get the fuck out of here man.
Worst of all, under Prop 19; commercial sales would benefit the government far more than they do today. That's the last thing I'd want to see. I'm pushing for a voluntaryist society. Cannabis in california can't be stopped at this point; it doesn't really matter what they do. There isn't enough space in the prisons, there aren't enough prisons, and there aren't enough people to build new prisons to house all of the prisoners that would result from locking up californians in the cannabis industry. The cat is out of the bag and the government is just trying to contain what will be FAR more expansive than what Prop 19 wants to institute.
By "far more expansive" think housing; all over the world, especially in third world countries. Hemp housing, transported in the form of pre-fab building materials (which weigh practically nothing, yet are stronger, more durable, and able to resist the elements than any other material in the world for the cost and renewability) which are then constructed by technicians, who eventually teach select individuals in these areas how to construct this housing.
Once the people of the world learn what cannabis can do for them, its medicinal recreational and utilitarian effects will cause governments over the world to do what the U.S. will be doing. Everyone will want to be as wealthy as Californians will soon be. Hemp is an industrial GIANT, and that's being coy about things.
Everyone can grow it and different people can form it into different things; specializing and creating value all over the world. Everyone benefits because it's just so awesome.
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LongStrangeTrip
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: Humility]
#13107085 - 08/26/10 07:25 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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No medical mj laws will change with this bill. All those growing 100+ plant setups legally will NOT be affected, thats a load of horse shit Humility.
Penalties for selling to those who are under 21 is NOT any worse than it is today, that is retarded. And, once legitimate cannabis is sold to those over 21; fuck you youngsters, get your older bro to buy it. The draconian laws of today are VASTLY worse; once again, horse shit.
Yes, the STATE government will benefit. AS IT SHOULD. You will be reaping in mass amounts of money for schools, roads, infrastructure; you know, the shit YOU don't care about (why defend illegal weed hmm?) that desperately needs HELP in California! The benefits will be for ALL, instead of you dealers. Once again, not perfect but WAY better than draconian laws today.
Don't bet on how many people can be thrown in jail. Numbers stay the same / or keep rising, if you did not notice ALREADY. What if that keeps up another ten years? People die in prison to free up numbers you know. But, once again, your argument proves to be a fallacy. There is no reason to say numbers will not CONTINUE to rise as they have for, say, the past 30 years. 
And also, nothing in this bill "limits", in any way, shape, or form, how INDUSTRIAL HEMP will be treated. We already have at least 8 states that I know of who can legally grow industrial hemp, and I would argue that the legalizing of cannabis will only SPEED industrial hemp's path to legitimacy in California. Your argument is silly.
Man fuck you growers, legalize cannabis already cali!
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#13107939 - 08/26/10 10:29 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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There is a hard cap of 25 sq. feet per garden per RESIDENCE
What is the cap for non-med users now? 
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blujay
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: Humility]
#13109786 - 08/27/10 11:27 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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john - prop 19 really fucks up the distribution network that is currently going on. Competition and innovation will be stifled due to restrictions on plant numbers and bud counts. YOUR BUD WILL COST MORE, AND WILL BE WAY MORE SHITTY THAN IT IS NOW.
It's better how it is now. I'd say wait for something more solid to come around than prop 19.
You are a goddam retard, and if you said this to my face you would get a switf kick in the nuts followed by one to the teeth with no warning. Even in medical states you can still get send to jail for growing pot, and only a select "deserving" few are allowed to do so. I deserve the right to grow pot and smoke it for no reason with no risk.
Why the fuck would anyone grow shit weed? the space limitation means the weed grown will be pushed to be even MORE potent, not less. You are an idiot.
Prop 215 is not changed by this law. The medical production facilities that are allowed so many plants will still be allowed that many plants.
People like you are fucking this up, and this is the closest we've ever gotten. This may be my only chance to live the entire rest of my life the way i want to, and you're telling me otherwise, get the fuck out before I shoot you in the kidneys and watch you bleed out.
That's how strongly I feel about this.
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blujay
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: blujay]
#13109802 - 08/27/10 11:31 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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I will have my friends help tie you to a bed, and smoke a whole pack of cigarettes, putting each one out on ungodly places of your body. I am fucking serious. This is that-man-took-my-baby or raped-my-ten-year-old-sister level rage.
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Re: California's Marijuana Legalization Initiative is Already a Winner [Re: blujay]
#13110080 - 08/27/10 12:40 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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just remember to vote... its all good
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