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 Kalix
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 Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection.  [Re: NiamhNyx]
#4412621 - 07/16/05 05:59 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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My mom has a friend who was a shrink @ a free clinic in Berkeley in the 60's, and she swear giving a freaked out tripper an orange and asking them to peel and eat it cures freak-outs..
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stvip
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: bluemeanie]
#4414005 - 07/17/05 01:47 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting, possible, confirms my (limited) personal experience, but I see no proposed mechanism of action or studies thereof to back it up (haven't searched for any yet myself). How would tryptamines significantly affect glucose metabolism? If this is true, it should probably be directly related to serotonergic action, rather than a side-effect on other systems, considering the huge dosage difference between LSD and other psychedelic substances.
Anyhow, a quibble:
"the brain can only use glucose"
Is not accurate.
Trippers of the world, ask one of your diabetic friends for a glucose measuring apparatus. Also, unite and take over.
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Dicer
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: stvip]
#4414157 - 07/17/05 06:23 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn't it common knowledge that sugar brings the effects down? Thats why you dont put sugar in shroom tea.
Sorry if I missed something this is a bit over my head, but when I've had bad trips a sugary tea usually does the trick. Having said that most aren't bad, so if it was something to do with sugar levels to start with, wouldn't the same people always have bad trips?
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Edited by Dicer (07/17/05 06:25 AM)
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starbirther
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: Dicer]
#4449941 - 07/25/05 08:52 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bluemeanie,
Your theory sounds very plausible from a purely physical point of view.
On reflection, my two experiences with ego death (both of which lasted upwards of an hour and a half), could also be explained from a physiological point of view vis-a-vis low sugar levels. When ever I trip, I have always made a point of not eating any meat or sugar for at least the whole day. This would seem to back up what we're saying.
I'm sure you remember Terence McKenna made a point of illustrating the link between sugar (more broadly; stimulants) and ego.
I wasn't going to post because I felt I didn't have much else to add which hadn't already been added, but one thing I'll bring to your attention (although I'm not sure how many grains of salt it should be taken with...) is what Steiner thought about sugar.
I was reading a little bit about Anthroposophy because a friend of a friend had mentioned it to me and it sounded a little interesting, in my reading, I came across this:
Diabetes is supposedly cured by strengthening the ego:
"In diabetes mellitus the case is as follows: the ego-organization, as it submerges in the astral and etheric realm, is so weakened that it can no longer effectively accomplish its action upon the sugar-substance. The sugar then undergoes the processes in the astral and etheric realms which should take place in the ego-organization ...From all this we see that a real healing process for diabetes mellitus can only be initiated if we are in a position to strengthen the ego-organization of the patient." -- Rudolf Steiner (Fundamentals of Therapy, 1924, chapter VIII)
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA027/English/RSP1983/GA027_c08.html
Again, another link between ego and sugar.
Edited by starbirther (07/25/05 09:44 AM)
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The Centre
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: bluemeanie]
#10860893 - 08/14/09 04:27 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is a really old thread but I feel it deserves a bump, as I feel this has some definite credibility. This may also explain why mushrooms where stored in honey! (The first time my experienced friend ate it in honey he said it was the best trip he ever had.)
I advise only natural sugars to be eaten, as sugars with a high glycemic index will give a quick rise followed by a quick drop.
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Edited by oxalic32 (04/05/11 01:05 PM)
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tektonic
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: The Centre]
#10860968 - 08/14/09 04:45 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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sweet! i wondered why i love ice cold watermelon right when i'm peaking or right after 
agave nectar has a very low glycemic index btw, and it's incredibly tasty
a multi-vitamin taken the day-of helps a ton too, ime
thanks for the good info
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jimmystubs
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: tektonic]
#13066696 - 08/17/10 09:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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This is a great thread and thought I'd give it a bump, as I believe this has played a big part in my last 2 uncomfortable trips.
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Inoxia
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: jimmystubs]
#13068585 - 08/18/10 10:43 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yesterday morning i have used this method to avoid bad trips because my last 3 trips whit shrooms where insanely anxious at the coming up, and the very last before this i have had a hell lot of nausea.
So this time i have ingested 3,5 grams lemon tekked. When the nausea started i have eat some chocolate and drank a coke, and guess what? This was the most fun trip in a while, nausea and anxiety subsided short after i have finished the coke.
Thanks for this thread!
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: Inoxia]
#13068646 - 08/18/10 10:55 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I get low blood sugar normally. Not eating before or during a trip is just a recipe for personal disaster for me. i get the low blood sugar because im skinny with high metabolsim. Weed especially, i have to snack before i get high. Thats why you get the munchies!!! Most people tend to smoke before or during their trips, so its the double whammy on your system. I don't get the fast before you trip method of tripping. LISTEN TO YOUR BODY!!!!!
Yogurt, smoothies, or maybe some granola before. Fresh or canned fruit while tripping. Pizza is a great comedown meal. Meaty and cheesy!!!! And its (essentially) a balanced meal.
The multivitamins are a good idea also. I also take magnesium, b-12, and will be taking niacin from now on before and after my trips.
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Everything
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: bluemeanie]
#13068749 - 08/18/10 11:10 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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 DUDE! this is sooooo helpful. i know you normally get a little colder on shrooms. but i usually get really cold, dizzy, and my feet feel kind of numb. This totally explains it. thank you man!
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Razzl3Frazzl3
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: Everything]
#13068801 - 08/18/10 11:19 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Everything said:
DUDE! this is sooooo helpful. i know you normally get a little colder on shrooms. but i usually get really cold, dizzy, and my feet feel kind of numb. This totally explains it. thank you man!
Yep, your body isnt pumping blood as fast as it should. I think niacin will help. Magnesium is for muscle tension. Starving your body is never good, especially on drugs.
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psychedelico
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3]
#13069903 - 08/18/10 03:32 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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OP now that I think about it, every time I have ever had a freak-out that resulted in the rest of the trip being less than enjoyable, it has always been because I hadn't eaten anything for a long period of time. Thanks for the info
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thelegend0210
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Re: Bad Trips - the hypoglycemic connection. [Re: psychedelico]
#13081271 - 08/20/10 11:11 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Great topic, thought I'd weigh in seeing I have type 1 diabetes. I was diagnosed 5 years ago, been trippin for two. Now I manage my diabetes quite well in general. Nights I'm doing shrooms I eat a few hours before and make sure my blood sugar is good. But it seems most times I start feeling the effects of a low blood sugar about an hour into the trip. Sometimes It's hard to tell the difference at that point, but I know what a low blood sugar feels like quite well. And everytime, I'll drink some juice, either orange or craneberry, and within 5mins I feel great again. My friend always wants sour candy around for out trips, which I have to say is an amazing experience. Most trips I'll eat candy all night which normally would give me really high blood sugars. But everytime I check my blood after coming down from a trip it's not high at all. So now I make sure to have juice around and definatly some double sour skittles cause a low blood sugar is never a good time. Tripping or not.
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