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 cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila 
#12977609 - 07/30/10 06:25 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, So a friend has a huge collection of many kinds. I would say 20 easy. I watched a show a few years back on Tequila and how it is made. I went to my friends home a few days back and right a head of me was a 12 year old Cacti that was on the show.
So we thought why not ask and see if anyone had any good advice on how to "get started" so to speak on a bottle of pure good Tequila.
Any Teks, Advice, pointers ect would be great.
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Doc_T
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 Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: anti-flag]
#12977695 - 07/30/10 06:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Harder than it seems. You've made bourbon?
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anti-flag
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: Doc_T]
#12977740 - 07/30/10 06:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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If anyone else has advise beside doc please feel free.
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Doc_T
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: anti-flag]
#12977755 - 07/30/10 06:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I loked into agave nectar as a source.
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 Cactusdan
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila (moved) [Re: anti-flag]
#12977856 - 07/30/10 07:19 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.
Reason:
The EG is for growing plants, not consuming them.
In addition:
Tequila doesn't come from cacti, it comes from the weber's Blue Agave which is a succulent.
On top of this, many agave look the same and I believe Weber's to be the only one that produces a good drink.
make sure you do your research before cutting up and destroying a plant that may or may not be what you want.
Pictures will help.
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Cactusdan
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila (moved) [Re: anti-flag]
#12977874 - 07/30/10 07:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.
Reason:
After reading more I've decided the brewing forum may be better.
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Cactii
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: Doc_T]
#12977884 - 07/30/10 07:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know how much experience you have with brewing/distilling but judging by your post I would say you need to lower your ambitions and begin with something a little easier. There is a whole science to brewing and distilling and it will pay to learn as much as possible before you jump in the deep end. You should probably start by brewing simple wines before you move on to distilling.
Anyways, tequila is made from the blue agave plant which is actually a succulent. There is some information about the plant and a section on how they make tequila on the wikipedia. Clicky
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Edited by Cactii (07/30/10 07:29 PM)
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anti-flag
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: Cactii]
#12977909 - 07/30/10 07:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, I understand what you are saying and I have made beer and also "fuel" from an old air tank that we had weld angle arm legs on and use coil from a fridge ect...
It took many times to get things right and it was far from easy. In the end we only came up with a little over a quart.
After watching this program I thought we could study up and give it a try. The thing is you need to know where to start for this is a different plant all together.
Thanks for the link.
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: Cactii]
#12978019 - 07/30/10 08:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just a suggestion, most brew shops sell essences that you can add to your distillate. It would be cheaper and you would probably end up with a higher quality product if you brewed dextrose/sugar instead of agave, then used an essence to add the tequila flavor.
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Doc_T
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: Cactii]
#12978044 - 07/30/10 08:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's as much about the ageing and blending as the distilling.
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: anti-flag]
#12980257 - 07/31/10 10:20 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tequila is name associated with a specific geographical location like Cognac. Mezcal is the more generic name, but still implies Mexican origin.
I've been interested in making a batch of real Mezcal for a while, but it is a very large project more complicated than making a batch of single malt whiskey.
First you must find the right plants. The most commonly used species is Agave tequilana which is commonly referred to as Maguey. Other species used include Agave salmiana, A. potatorum, A. angustifolia, A. parryi, A. weberi, and A. esperrima. Agave americana is not commonly used if it is used at all because it takes forever to reach maturity.
Then you must find a plant which is in maturity which is a difficult thing to determine. Age of maturity depends the species but for those listed above it can range from 8-12 years. If you are more patient than I am, you could plant a row and wait that long. Once you find a mature plants ripe for harvest, you have to harvest it by cutting off all of the leaves to form the pina and cut the pina at the base. Then you need to transport the heavy pina (several hundreds of pounds for the larger species) to some place where you can cook it.
If you want a cleaner 'Tequila' style profile you need to cook the pina in a large oven for ~1 day. If you want a smokier Mezcal style profile you need to cook in the earth for at least several days. Once the pina has been roasted, it needs to be cut, shredded, and pulped. Traditionally the pina is chopped using machetes and ground using a donkey-powered stone crushing wheel. An interview I read with a fairly well-known craft distiller said that their attempt at making an Agave spirit was extremely frustrating because none of their fruit equipment could handle the tough agave fibers. If I recall correctly, they ended up using a machine designed to shredded meat for dog food.
Once you have pulped agave and liquid, it needs to be fermented. Wild fermentation is probably the way to go if you are making a Mezcal profile spirit. A champagne yeast or baker's yeast is probably the way to go for a Tequila profile. A lot of Tequila is actually not made from 100% Agave. These are known as mixto and have sugar (up to 49%) added prior to fermentation. Why on earth you would want to do that after going through all of this trouble I'm not sure, but if you absolutely needed to increase yield you could. I would strongly recommend against it though.
After fermentation, distill the mash in a copper pot still once or twice according to preference. If you wish to produce an unaged tequila (blanco), dilute to 40-50% ABV strength with rain/spring water and bulk age for a month or two. If you wish to make a reposado, dilute to 55-65% with water and age on oak.
Sounds like fun, right?
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anti-flag
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: naum]
#12980670 - 07/31/10 01:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell yes...
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: anti-flag]
#12980693 - 07/31/10 01:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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But really...Time and work doesn't bother me. If it did, I wouldn't be posting.
The problem is the tools needed as you said and a few other thing.
I did a few home kits of beer ect. I thought It wouldn't hurt to ask how much is involved with this plant and drink.
Thanks for all the info.
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: anti-flag]
#12984543 - 08/01/10 11:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
anti-flag said:
Thanks, I understand what you are saying and I have made beer and also "fuel" from an old air tank that we had weld angle arm legs on and use coil from a fridge ect....
seems like you're eager to poison yourself with an improvised still
a word of caution, blue agave is a nasty plant to work with, the
juices are foul, you'll end up with a nasty rash at the very least
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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anti-flag
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Re: cactis brew/ need a tek or a walking hand for Tequila [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12986295 - 08/01/10 07:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The still was some years back. We were young and DUMB.
After reading more on the subject at hand I know I'm way a head of myself.
Thanks for all the info.
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