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Offlineilluz1oN
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Tea advice.
    #12914695 - 07/18/10 11:03 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So, I know the general idea of how to make tea and I can always find resources.

The reason me and my mates are using tea is for a faster come up, and so we don't have to eat the mushrooms (I'm not a fan of mushrooms in general, heh).

Anyway, there will be 4 of us tripping, on psilocybe semilanceata mushrooms. We're all new so I want about a 2.5-3g trip for each of us, how many grams will I have to put into the tea to achieve that level trip? Will I just put 3 grams in, or will I need 12 grams in (as theres four of us).

Thank you in advance. I can't wait. :smile:


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: illuz1oN]
    #12927955 - 07/21/10 02:14 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

If you make it by the cup you would each put however much you want in your own cup and let it steep. Use a coffee filter with a twist tie around it for a makeshift teabag.

If your making a pitcher of it you need to put more in. If you put 3g in a pitcher and split it four ways you would each be ingesting .75g If you put 12g in the pitcher and split it evenly four ways you would each be ingesting 3g.

A tea trip will come on a lot faster, you have that part correct. But keep in mind, at least always for me, tea will make the trip much stronger. It also doesn't last as long as ingesting whole mushrooms.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: NIMH]
    #12928054 - 07/21/10 02:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent, just what I needed to know, thank you, NIMH.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: illuz1oN]
    #12931032 - 07/21/10 05:53 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Tea is a waste of shrooms. You're better off chewing really fast and downing with a glass of OJ. (Psylocibin is an alkaline)

I can't stand the taste of shrooms too, but unless you grow or have abundant supply...well, you get the point.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: soochi]
    #12933151 - 07/22/10 12:40 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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soochi said:
Tea is a waste of shrooms. You're better off chewing really fast and downing with a glass of OJ. (Psylocibin is an alkaline)

I can't stand the taste of shrooms too, but unless you grow or have abundant supply...well, you get the point.



Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.  Tea is a very effective method of ingestion.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: All We Perceive]
    #12935693 - 07/22/10 03:58 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Really?







Please don't.


Tea does hit you faster but its also metabolized faster as well. Strongest and longest trip is ingesting whole fruits.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: soochi]
    #12936373 - 07/22/10 06:17 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like you dont boil your shrooms for long enough.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: wowitch17]
    #12936611 - 07/22/10 07:08 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Make tea. You won't be disappointed.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: NIMH]
    #12936628 - 07/22/10 07:13 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Tea is good!


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: illuz1oN]
    #12939061 - 07/23/10 02:59 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I think the tea method is even worse tasting than eating them, but if you're going to do it I'd make some grape coolaid instead.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #12940983 - 07/23/10 03:14 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
I think the tea method is even worse tasting than eating them, but if you're going to do it I'd make some grape coolaid instead.




There ya go make it like this.




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Re: Tea advice. [Re: wowitch17]
    #12942331 - 07/23/10 07:55 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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wowitch17 said:
sounds like you dont boil your shrooms for long enough.






it has less to do with how its cooked, and rather, how your body absorbs food.



any solvent in liquid form will dissolve and absorb quickly.



The reason why trips last longer just from chewin' on some caps is cuz its digested and absorbed alot slower in ur body.




But Tea DOES hit you harder and faster, and thats a PLUS.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #12999984 - 08/04/10 05:00 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I always thought Psilocybin was destroyed by heat so you wouldn't want to boil them?

If the tea hits fast and hard but short, couldn't you eat half then drink half and get a longer trip with the fast come up ?

I have some experimenting to do :laugh:


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: Pempi]
    #13002355 - 08/04/10 05:56 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Boiling does destroy the goods. So again, I supposedly do not know what I'm talking about after someone makes some dumbass comment like that?


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: soochi]
    #13002426 - 08/04/10 06:14 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

That's a myth.  Boiling your shrooms will be fine. 

The actives need much higher heat to actually be destroyed, like as in fire.

And also, I totally disagree that making tea is a waste.  In fact, that might be the most ridiculous thing I've read around here for awhile.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: caphillkid]
    #13006554 - 08/05/10 12:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

go to erowid, there has been many studies done on the psylocybin vs. psylocin (sp, i know) breakdown in temps over 200F. and water boils @ 212F. psylocin is lost at temps as low as 180F. Also, the water should be slightly acidic if you really want to extract as much as possible.

Do and say whatever you want, if you grow then I guess it doesn't matter how much you waste.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: caphillkid]
    #13006569 - 08/05/10 12:50 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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That's a myth.  Boiling your shrooms will be fine. 

The actives need much higher heat to actually be destroyed, like as in fire.
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Wow, you really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: soochi]
    #13007232 - 08/05/10 02:48 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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soochi said:
go to erowid




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erowid said:
I'd say the question of Psilocybin + Heat is no longer a controversy, its a misunderstanding coupled with incomplete data. I think the open question is whether all dried mushrooms can be boiled without significant loss or whether some types react better or worse to this treatment.

Sub-boiling or lightly boiling water does not noticably reduce the activity of dried Psilocybe cubensis. Many people ingest their mushrooms as tea without needing to increase the quantity used. We know of people who regularly boil their mushrooms for up to 30 mins before drinking the resulting liquid. All fully active. The hotter the water, the better. The water should be at least slightly acidic, but psilocybin is highly water soluble.

So, the experience of many people says it works. Smoking mushrooms can work, but most mushrooms aren't terribly potent so you need to smoke a lot of mushrooms to get a strong effect (imagine smoking 2 grams of mushrooms ! yuck!). But many reliable sources report a mild effect at smoking a bowl or two and this is potentiated by other entheogens (LSD specifically).

However, this is not to say that psilocin, another active chemical, won't break down quickly in boiling water (it probably will). Different types of mushrooms contain differing ratios of psilocybin to psilocin, so it seems quite possible that different strains would fare differently with boiling or hot water extractions. There is evidence to suggest that some degree of potency loss occurs if Psilocybe cyanescens are heated by a method such as boiling.




The heat issue is a myth that continues to get passed around.  Is potency lost from heat?  Maybe, but it's insignificant compared to the potency lost simply from oxidation caused by contact with air and light. 
  Interesting also that they mention cyans, that is all I use anymore and I've never noticed any differences in potency when making tea. So...you can believe what you want and I will as well.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: caphillkid]
    #13008132 - 08/05/10 06:14 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about


you said it takes much greater heat than boiling water to break down the active compounds.


Which means you're clueless about molecular physics.


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Re: Tea advice. [Re: caphillkid]
    #13010957 - 08/06/10 08:27 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry, I thought we were talking about Cubensis. Heat will degrade any organic compound, by how much is debatable and how and what it breaks down to also varies and I for one do not have the capabilities to test those theories, so like you said believe what you want.


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