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 Shredded or powdered? STB tek. 
#12866110 - 07/08/10 09:01 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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So me and my friend are planning to make DMT (going with STB tek).
So the question is, which mimosa is better for extraction? Shredded or powdered? Ordering 1kg of it so I want to be sure. 
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: PsYLoW]
#12866188 - 07/08/10 09:39 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Powdered has worked great for me. Just follow the tek and you'll be blasting off in no time. A COLD freezer is very important.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: mudge]
#12866319 - 07/08/10 10:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You could probably order powdered-but it's pretty simple to order whole MHRB, then grind/pound it into fine bits and then powder yourself.
But-it says excplicitly in STB to use powdered bark. Go with that.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: KinichAhau]
#12866609 - 07/08/10 12:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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i ran into emulsion problems with powdered bark. you NEED to use twice as much water as the tek says while using powdered bark.
i NEVER once had an emulsion when using bark i ground up into powder and fiber myself.
in case an emulsion happens, add a bunch of pure sea salt and shake it up. itll layer out. i did mine in 1 gallon glass jugs, so i could also put them in a warm water bath which also helps somewhat to break up the emulsion. but the sea salt is the BEST thing i found to fix emulsions.
if i do an extraction again, ill powder my own bark. emulsions suck balls.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: PilzeEssen]
#12866906 - 07/08/10 01:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Emulsions can be avoided with any grade of bark by making sure to only agitate your extraction container very gently. Don't ever shake it! This releases tons of micro-bubbles of basic water into the naphtha, and it can take days (if not weeks and months in the case of a heavy emulsion) to settle out.
I would go with whole bark, but that's just me. I like doing the work of cutting it up and grinding it down - it's all part of the process for me. But yeah, powdered or shredded should be fine. Powdered has the advantage of more exposure of plant material to solvents, but shredded could be a bit easier to deal with. I think powdered is preferable.
And yeah, if you freeze precip, get your freezer really cold. Or do it one better - go out and buy a mini lunch cooler thing and some dry ice. Pack your bagged dry ice around the precip jar in the lunch cooler, then let it sit in the freezer (or anywhere, doesn't really matter) for several hours. It will be much colder than your freezer can get it.
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i found that i could literally shake a jar of shredded bark (not powdered) as hard as i could, and it never emulsified. always layered out, and it was always pretty quick. i wont say itll never happen when working with shredded bark, but i never had it happen to me. i had powder emulsify every time. even when i didnt shake it much.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: PsYLoW]
#12868178 - 07/08/10 05:47 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shredded. Some folks have reported some akward to solve problems doing STB with powdered bark.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: Nature Boy]
#12868195 - 07/08/10 05:50 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rather than sticking it in the STB thread, I'll ask here....
I cannot for the life of me break up this rootbark. It feels like rock, the last 100g of it took hours and hours of work.
Can I soak it in water first to soften it up, then try to blend/chop it?
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: Ubitsa]
#12868222 - 07/08/10 05:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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i used garden pruners to chop it up into 1 inch chunks, then threw tiny amounts into a coffee grinder and ground up as much as possible. its a bitch but i dont think theres much getting around it.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: PilzeEssen]
#12868235 - 07/08/10 05:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies! 
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: Ubitsa]
#12868261 - 07/08/10 06:03 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ubitsa said:
I cannot for the life of me break up this rootbark. It feels like rock, the last 100g of it took hours and hours of work.
Wow...you young folks are SO lacking in practical skills! Hint: Pillowcase, hammer, concrete basement floor, and 60 seconds of your time. Thereafter, a moment or two with a strong scissor or even a wire cutter...and you are done with no sweat.
Have you never seen videos of indigenous jungle folks breaking up vine to make ayahuasca? They use rocks! Even monkeys have learned to open hard-shelled nuts with a large rock and a small rock.
Keep it simple!
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: Nature Boy]
#12869168 - 07/08/10 08:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just buy it powdered!!!!! If you are gonna break it down anyway, just buy it in powder form... How hard do people shake it to get emulsions?!? I didn't shake it, but I swirled the ever lasting crap out of it and got no emulsions. Like spin the jar in a circular motion like a whirlpool
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: Nature Boy]
#12869187 - 07/08/10 08:38 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nature Boy said:
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Ubitsa said:
I cannot for the life of me break up this rootbark. It feels like rock, the last 100g of it took hours and hours of work.
Wow...you young folks are SO lacking in practical skills! Hint: Pillowcase, hammer, concrete basement floor, and 60 seconds of your time. Thereafter, a moment or two with a strong scissor or even a wire cutter...and you are done with no sweat.
Have you never seen videos of indigenous jungle folks breaking up vine to make ayahuasca? They use rocks! Even monkeys have learned to open hard-shelled nuts with a large rock and a small rock.
Keep it simple!
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: Ubitsa]
#12869380 - 07/08/10 09:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously-no one thought about using a hammer?
Anyway-
The reason most people would argue against ordering powder is usually due to potency issues.
If anyone knows the rate of degradation for MHRB please post it-otherwise most volatile chemicals will degrade slowly over time (hence why whole spices - actual spices, not "spice" - keep better than powdered) that said-assuming the vendor ground it fresh for you, then this shouldn't be an issue.
To each his/her own-personally I'd rather grind it up myself. Now that my food grade lye came-I can make DMT! WOO!
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Also-using powder increases surface area. While it may not produce a huge difference, there should be some increase in production this way.
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Edited by KinichAhau (07/08/10 09:34 PM)
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: KinichAhau]
#12870199 - 07/09/10 12:03 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
KinichAhau said:
Seriously-no one thought about using a hammer?
Anyway-
The reason most people would argue against ordering powder is usually due to potency issues.
If anyone knows the rate of degradation for MHRB please post it-otherwise most volatile chemicals will degrade slowly over time (hence why whole spices - actual spices, not "spice" - keep better than powdered)
What nonsense is this? I really doubt any potency loss would be due to the "volatility" of the chemicals. Just going by intuition, heat and oxidation are probably much bigger enemies.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: KinichAhau]
#12871135 - 07/09/10 06:12 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can choose from 2: shredded  or powdered 
I ain't buying whole mhrb.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: PsYLoW]
#12871213 - 07/09/10 07:22 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Potency loss isn't much of a concern.
The particular salt form of DMT within the rootbark appears to be very stable, and will last for years even under less than ideal conditions (though yields may drop slightly, and contain more yellow n-oxide spice).
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Quote:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
Potency loss isn't much of a concern.
The particular salt form of DMT within the rootbark appears to be very stable, and will last for years even under less than ideal conditions (though yields may drop slightly, and contain more yellow n-oxide spice).
Thanks for the info.
Good to know that the potency loss is minimal-I suspected it wasn't much
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: KinichAhau]
#14883265 - 08/07/11 12:51 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Can anybody PM a place with quality product. I havent been around it in a while and since all of my old vendors have closed shop or opening some new version. I would like to order a kg or 2 at least.
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Re: Shredded or powdered? STB tek. [Re: pufnstuf]
#14883567 - 08/07/11 02:13 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Just get powdered and use Noman's tek. Utilize HDPE plastic (1 gallon milk jug is fucking perfect for 200g extraction). The plastic makes squeezing the solvent to the top incredibly easy.
Bestine is probably one of the best solvents so if you can find it use it.
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