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 evildee125
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 Re: I've found enlightenment!  [Re: The Chronic]
#12684839 - 06/04/10 02:43 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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hey Icelander have you read some of Stanislav Grof's work..
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 c0sm0nautt
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: Icelander]
#12684852 - 06/04/10 02:44 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
Right and imo our best tool to work this all out is psychology, a field that unfortunately is still in it's infancy.
I'm in line with the philosopher Ken Wilber who calls for an integral approach. Both psychology and mysticism contain pieces of the puzzle and can lead to greater understanding.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
    
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12684869 - 06/04/10 02:47 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I think I'm aware you think that.  
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: Icelander]
#12684939 - 06/04/10 02:55 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Like you, I am based off my personal experiences. It's a shame people let acculturation shut them off to a whole universe of ideas.
As John Lilly says, "Science is the Yoga of the West. Yoga is the science of the East"
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12685005 - 06/04/10 03:08 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I agree. I'd really like to see psychology address more of the things mysticism is looking at. In practical application. Something to be taught in grade school or such would be amazing.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: Icelander]
#12685284 - 06/04/10 03:56 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Enpo said:
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Cyph3r said:
So far.
I'd recommend reading some Peter Carroll or Phil Hine if you're interested in chaos magick, or just  if you want to ask me anything. http://english.grimoar.cz/ has many online documents related to the occult.
Thanks, I'm definitely going to look into it. I have an obsession with my unconscious/ subconscious that dreaming alone and meditation can't fill.
One more question: What religion were you raised with, if any?
None whatsoever. I sometimes thank my parents for releasing me into the world devoid of harmful programming.
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Cyph3r said:
I seek something because I feel incomplete, but I do not know what I seek. If I did I would have found it by now. 
You seek the truth
And walk past it
Shit, I guess I gotta retrace my steps now. 
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12685288 - 06/04/10 03:57 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said:
Like you, I am based off my personal experiences. It's a shame people let acculturation shut them off to a whole universe of ideas.
As John Lilly says, "Science is the Yoga of the West. Yoga is the science of the East"
It's all about unifying psychology WITH mysticism.
The method of science, the aim of religion.
-Aleister Crowley
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: deCypher]
#12685339 - 06/04/10 04:05 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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AngryPhil
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: deCypher]
#12685380 - 06/04/10 04:10 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Cyph3r said:
Shit, I guess I gotta retrace my steps now.
As does one who walks in circles
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deCypher
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: AngryPhil]
#12685393 - 06/04/10 04:12 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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I run rather than walk because I want to get enlightened faster.
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AngryPhil
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: deCypher]
#12685401 - 06/04/10 04:13 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Run if you will run
I am sitting
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deCypher
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: AngryPhil]
#12685407 - 06/04/10 04:13 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Get up and stretch sometime, d00d. Staying for too long in a seated position can lead to leg cramps.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: I've found enlightenment! [Re: deCypher]
#12685582 - 06/04/10 04:40 PM (3 years, 15 days ago) |
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Cyph3r said:
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c0sm0nautt said:
Like you, I am based off my personal experiences. It's a shame people let acculturation shut them off to a whole universe of ideas.
As John Lilly says, "Science is the Yoga of the West. Yoga is the science of the East"
It's all about unifying psychology WITH mysticism.
The method of science, the aim of religion.
-Aleister Crowley
Yea man, symbiosis of the heart and the mind, the eagle and the condor.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
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