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 Bentley
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 Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? 
#12586547 - 05/18/10 02:30 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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I would say Hpoo since they can grow naturally on it. I have an endless amount of Hpoo I can get my hands on and its free. I have only grown on Hpoo and have not been let down, but never have used coir. Am I missing out on anything? Is it worth trying coir when you have hpoo available? I have a brick of coir and have not touched it since I have great success with hpoo. I know a lot of you guys have had a lot of success under your belt, but mostly grown on coir etc.. What are your thoughts?
Thanks again, as always! 
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Bentley]
#12586560 - 05/18/10 02:32 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Horse poo, non contest.
Youll have those who disagree but theyve obviously never use manure. I use both for cubes, my standard cube sub has ~3 times the amount of poo to coir.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Bentley]
#12586561 - 05/18/10 02:32 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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I personally like Horse manure over coir
Manure/Verm/Gypsum 
Edited by Shea25 (05/18/10 02:32 PM)
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: badman]
#12586578 - 05/18/10 02:34 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Horse manure is definitely the better quality substrate.
I use coir more often though. It's always readily available in my area and it's just so damn easy to work with.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Bentley]
#12586606 - 05/18/10 02:38 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Edited by audiophoenix (05/18/10 02:39 PM)
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: audiophoenix]
#12586670 - 05/18/10 02:47 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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I've done side by sides and can't tell the difference between the 2. After pasteurization they have pretty much the same consistency.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: anonjon]
#12586698 - 05/18/10 02:50 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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how did you test? volume of substrate or mass of dry substrate to a known moisture content?
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: badman]
#12586727 - 05/18/10 02:53 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Ok, cool. Thanks for the quick responses. I would like to stick to hpoo, so throwing in a little coir as well as verm and gyp would be optimum? Compared to poo/verm/gyp? Would it make a difference? Also, I have never used gypsum I must be missing out because of it. Maybe not much but definitely something. My local ACE carries I believe 10-20 pounds for 11$ where the plaster and cement mix are , I assume that's it. Right?
Edited by Bentley (05/18/10 02:56 PM)
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: badman]
#12586881 - 05/18/10 03:10 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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badman said:
how did you test? volume of substrate or mass of dry substrate to a known moisture content?
volume. did a series of 6qt dubtubs, each with 1 jar spawn, mixed with coir or poo, filled to the same level in each tub. I didn't measure yield precisely. I'm convinced they are too similar to say one is better than the other.
im not sure why they would keep a bag of plain gypsum next to the concrete. usually it would be with the potting soils. plaster of paris is made of gypsum but I believe it's in the wrong form. You have to harden it and smash it up I've heard.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: anonjon]
#12586972 - 05/18/10 03:22 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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I think horse manure gives higher yields and slightly more potent fruits than coir. but coir is a good substrate. i think it is more resistant to contams than horse manure and smells very nice. i think horse manure also clumps easier than coir. I think a coir hpoo mix with gypsum and worm castings would be great. right now i am using a horse manure/gypsum/verm/cow manure/worm castings mix.i just got a very nice pinset and am hoping for high yields. i spawned one quart of wbs to 3 quarts of this mix.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: audiophoenix]
#12587082 - 05/18/10 03:36 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Also some people use both Hpoo and coir
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: audiophoenix]
#12587151 - 05/18/10 03:45 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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"plaster of paris is made of gypsum but I believe it's in the wrong form. You have to harden it and smash it up I've heard."
I didn't look at the bag itself, I just saw it said "Gypsum" labeled under it. Yes it was in the plaster section.. Isn't there just one type of gypsum? I would really hate to purchase it and screw my whole project. You think it could be drywall ground down to powder? 
Edited by Bentley (05/18/10 03:48 PM)
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Bentley]
#12587160 - 05/18/10 03:47 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
Bentley said:
"plaster of paris is made of gypsum but I believe it's in the wrong form. You have to harden it and smash it up I've heard."
I didn't look at the bag itself, I just saw it said "Gypsum" labeled under it. Yes it was in the plaster section.. Isn't they just one type of gypsum? I would really hate to purchase it and screw my whole project. You think it could be drywall ground down to powder?
You can use it just has to dry and powderized
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Bentley]
#12587178 - 05/18/10 03:49 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
Bentley said:
"plaster of paris is made of gypsum but I believe it's in the wrong form. You have to harden it and smash it up I've heard."
I didn't look at the bag itself, I just saw it said "Gypsum" labeled under it. Yes it was in the plaster section.. Isn't they just one type of gypsum? I would really hate to purchase it and screw my whole project. You think it could be drywall ground down to powder?
Do not use drywall, It has additives and is not straight gypsum. If you live in an bigger town look up a garden center that caters to landscapers and sells things in bulk. If you find one there is a 90 percent chance that they sell gypsum.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: audiophoenix]
#12587197 - 05/18/10 03:50 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
audiophoenix said:
Quote:
Bentley said:
"plaster of paris is made of gypsum but I believe it's in the wrong form. You have to harden it and smash it up I've heard."
I didn't look at the bag itself, I just saw it said "Gypsum" labeled under it. Yes it was in the plaster section.. Isn't they just one type of gypsum? I would really hate to purchase it and screw my whole project. You think it could be drywall ground down to powder?
Do not use drywall, It has additives and is not straight gypsum. If you live in an bigger town look up a garden center that caters to landscapers and sells things in bulk. If you find one there is a 90 percent chance that they sell gypsum.
I believe you are misinformed drywall is fine to use I have used it many times
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Shea25]
#12587204 - 05/18/10 03:51 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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i dont know where you live but a place like english gardens or any hydro shop will have good garden gypsum
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: drewb149]
#12587230 - 05/18/10 03:54 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
drewb149 said:
i dont know where you live but a place like english gardens or any hydro shop will have good garden gypsum
I did a dry wall job a few months ago and decided why not get some free gypsum.
Its fine to use
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: drewb149]
#12587251 - 05/18/10 03:58 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Quote:
drewb149 said:
i dont know where you live but a place like english gardens or any hydro shop will have good garden gypsum
It depends I guess but you never know that is in drywall, they don't put an ingredient list. Plus, what a pain in the ass to get a sheet of drywall and peel the paper and crush it into powder. Seems a hell of a lot easier to just get a bag actual Gypsum. I'm sure that you could use it and it won't effect your grow negatively but why would you?
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Blending of additives
1 Depending on the variety of wallboard being produced, certain additives are blended with the plaster of Paris that will form the core of the drywall. Each additional ingredient amounts to less than onehalf of one percent of the amount of gypsum powder. Starch is added to help the paper facings adhere to the core, and paper pulp is added to increase the core's tensile strength (resistance to lengthwise pressure). Unexpanded vermiculite is added when producing fire-resistant grades of gypsum board; in some cases clay is also added.
2 Water is added to the plaster of Paris mixture to form a slurry of the proper consistency. An asphalt emulsion and/or a wax emulsion is added to achieve the desired level of moisture resistance in the final product. A foaming agent such as a detergent is included, and during the mixing process air is entrained into the material. The finished gypsum panel will be over 50% air; this minimizes the board's weight and makes it easier to cut, fit, and nail or screw to the framing. Glass fibers are added to the wet core material when making firerated gypsum board.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Shea25]
#12587297 - 05/18/10 04:05 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Why Compost or H/Poo Is Better Than Other Substrates
by Agar
More info on Compost
by Agar
If you get compost, just make sure its devoid of woodchips. a lot of horse stables will throw some sort of wood chips onto the piles for smell control. it can seriously fuck a grow up, i've been there.
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Re: Optimum substrate for cubes, Hpoo or Coir? [Re: Gordy]
#12587870 - 05/18/10 05:36 PM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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why would the wood fuck up your grow. i mean if you pasteurize right they should be fine. the only thing i can think of is that they might have been cedar or some other type of woodchip that is offensive to myc.
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