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Mini report: JWHs, cannabis, 4-ho-met, 4-aco-dmt, ketamine, heroin
    #12468947 - 04/27/10 09:40 PM (2 years, 30 days ago)

In a fit of boredom, i figure on contemplating upon my last psychonautical journey of a few days ago.  I'm not spending too much effort on the report, so please do'nt expect something too interesting. 

Approximate time-frame of items consumed:
I-15 minutes: Small eyeballed dose of jwh-018 vaped
I base: 24mg 4-ho-met and 11mg 4-aco-dmt(combined in a capsule taken orally)
I+5 minutes: Half a pipe of cannabis smoked
I+2hrs, 45 minutes: <244mg ketamine(racemic, insufflated)
I+4hrs, 30 minutes: ~1/4 bag of powder heroin insufflated followed immediately by 6mg jwh-073 vaped

(Note: Consumption of the capsule and ketamine was in accord with the phoenix ritual that i have spoken about on here before.)

The serotonergics came on hard and fast by the end of the pot pipe.  Yup, just a mere 10 minutes after orally ingesting a capsule, i was awash in psychedelia!  Well, judging by the character and experience of these two compounds, i'd say that it was the -met that was coming on so fast(even though 40mg of the agent took over an hour to hit last time i had it- my metabolism is funky though).

This state until the ketamine was unfortunately characterized by a high degree of muscle tension which made movement a bit uncomfortable and stymied the moderate amount of euphoria.  The mental state was quite neutral considering the other levels of psychoactivity.  The visual element was very apparent but not particularly interesting, just a bit too generic.  However, one redeeming aspect of this part of the journey was the very strong sense of an unseen presence, a watcher of sorts that is.  A trait i'm quite familiar with, and i've felt this before more than once on the -met actually, but it was particularly strong this time around.

When performing the phoenix ritual, the baby hawk(ketamine) is optimally consumed when the trip is in the beginning stage of the water element(journeys involving 5ht agonists generally seem to follow the four-fold nature of the elements in the order of air, fire, water, and then earth) which, this time, came about after about 2.75hrs.  Owing to the fact that it now takes me about 230mg to reach a proper hole, i had weighed out 244mg of pre-set racemic beforehand, crushed into fine powder using a pill crusher.  Unfortunately, i had a bit of fail in me that night.  That's a lot of powder to sniff and a small bit of it fell out of my nose during the process and onto my carpet.  I also noticed a good bit was left in my nose later on :crazy:  , so i would think that i had really only insufflated around 200 or so.

Not a particularly great k experience.  I never fully integrated with the kurrents(which entails a full loss of body awareness) and was caught in a sort of in-between state whilst still retaining body awareness, albeit that of a very goo-like body.  The visual and sensational mindscape was of a very watered down version of the kurrents i'm familiar with.  The crazy auditory element of k was quite pronounced though. 

After coming out of the semi-hole, i was met with the negative "cold and absent of life force" post-hole side effects i'm all too familiar with.  A xanny or two and some pot works great for this, but i had just happened to have saved up a small bump of h and prepared a little bit of -073 to vape for the occasion.  This made for my third time combining h with k and i was'nt certain of what to expect.  Previously, a small bit of both made for an enjoyable synergy but no noted potentiation, and just a tiny bump of h before a hole sized dose of k COMPLETELY killed the psychedelic aspect of the hole.  However judging by this experience, at least for me, THE best use of opes for k is post-hole!

Only a few minutes(damn things were hitting me fast that night!) after sniffing the off-white matter and vaping the -073, it was like my life force just slipped right back into my body and cuddled up with it.  I felt great!  I slipped into some comfy jammies, threw on some headphones, and snuggled up with Bubbles, my stuffed panda, under the covers. The ensuing nod was extremely nice and euphoric, even more pronounced than when i sniffed double(note- i use opes rarely so i'm quite sensitive i guess) the amount of the same bag.  After a few hours just laying in bed, slumber was attained.

Upon waking from a few hours sleep, i felt HORRIBLE!  Massive headache, mild nausea, and once again the familiar soul-sap i usually experience following my (now-formerly twice monthly) monthly 5ht/ket journeys.  It was worse than usual this time though, possibly aided by dehydration- remember kids, always drink lots of liquid following k!.  6mg of melatonin helped me back to sleep.  Awakening again, only marginally better.  Aided by time and some 5-htp from a friend, normalcy came about after half a day or so.

Hmmm, maybe i need to simmer down with the psychs a bit.  Weekly tripping does take its toll. Or at least some day trips considering it's warming up.  I'm due for some soular healing via the almighty amanita though, that's for sure.  As far as the k is concerned, i think i'll keep it at once a month or even less often, but i will probably piggyback it atop dxm the next time or three for some added novelty and the need to use less.  Diversity is the spice of life, no?

Apologies for the sloppy and mundane report.


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Edited by lavod (04/27/10 09:51 PM)


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Re: Mini report: JWHs, cannabis, 4-ho-met, 4-aco-dmt, ketamine, heroin [Re: lavod]
    #12471368 - 04/28/10 11:35 AM (2 years, 29 days ago)

Interesting. I enjoy your posts and trip reports though.


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Re: Mini report: JWHs, cannabis, 4-ho-met, 4-aco-dmt, ketamine, heroin [Re: lavod]
    #12477880 - 04/29/10 01:18 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

I wish you would do a trip report of 4-ho-met by itself, and compare it to 4-aco-dmt.


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Re: Mini report: JWHs, cannabis, 4-ho-met, 4-aco-dmt, ketamine, heroin [Re: thehitcher]
    #12478720 - 04/29/10 03:33 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

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I wish you would do a trip report of 4-ho-met by itself, and compare it to 4-aco-dmt




I've done these by themselves before, up to 40mg for the -met and up to 38mg for the -dmt.  I believe the -dmt to be more of a teaching/mystical type element and the -met to be more of a fun/magickal one(though of course they can retain both characteristic to a degree).

4-ho-met seems less predictable in terms of dose response.  It's less effective than some other 4-subs in altering thought patterns, and for this it may be a pretty good introductory psych.  There is a strong body buzz that's reminiscent of dpt but to a much lesser degree.  The visual element is quite apparent, particularly OE, and it is rather nice, but it's not the best attribute of the substance IMO and sometimes the visuals are'nt all too exciting. 

I believe -met's best feature is that of invoking a rapture, not only in the sense of psychedelic ecstasy but also of the perception that one actually is invoking a force/being of sorts.  In other words it is a substance of the serpent, guiding the aspirant to the realization of the three ophidian mysteries.  And along with, at least IME, the frequent sense of there being a presence makes these features of the -met state to show it to have potential as a serious psychedelic.

4-aco-dmt is rather like mushrooms as many comment upon, but what amazes me is how different the visual element is.  I know many have stated that it's similar, but i've found this to not be the case at all.  First off, let me state that the dose response curve for the visuals is very flat.  In other words, a tiny dose may provide for some surprising enhancement, but a huge dose is'nt all that much better!  I'm honestly not impressed by the -dmt visuals at all but hey, YMMV.  I've read that others have encountered the same but i've heard that far more actually do find it to have a strong visual element.  However, i've found a little bit of 2c-d to dramatically ramp this aspect up and, of course, a bit of rue goes a very long way; it really does like the rue btw :wink:  .

This one is a lot more predictable per dosage than -met.  And, other than a smoother come-up and the aforementioned visuals, it is indeed a lot like mushies.  This is the one to take if looking for ego dissolution, mental insight, or if you're going to be spending time in mediation.

Overall duration of both seem quite similar, the -met maybe dropping off a bit sooner but coming on quicker and harder as well.  Both have'nt been dramatically nausea inducing, but both have occasionally made for some uncomfortable muscle tension.

Good combos IME: dxm/-met, rue/-dmt, 2c-d/-dmt, amanita/-dmt, 2c-e/-met

Both are good to combine with ketamine, all 4-subs seem to be, but pale in comparison to 4-ho-mipt in this regard.  I'll note however that a certain bluelighter has found an IV combo of psilacetin and ketamine to provide a very drastic and unique breakthrough type state.

Take only as a simple guide, YMMV.


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