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 iluvfungi
 
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 Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing,  [Re: Damion5050]
#12272217 - 03/25/10 09:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They sterilize the mushroom compost after it comes from the fungi farm. Technically the fungi growing materials weren't "exhausted." They cycle the material every 45 days, as to not risk bacterial contamination of their commercial farm.
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creepyviking
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Shea25]
#12272223 - 03/25/10 09:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shea25 said:
Lol I'm glad you bought that up. Here are two cakes 200mls of sub, each yielded about 10 grams dry each first flush
After each cake has flushed Im talking 14+ grams dry per 200 mls of sub
Find any other sub that will do that CUP FOR CUP
You wont, Casing cakes is a waste
I wouldnt know, I'm used to racking 50+ dry grams per tray per flush with the same CUP FOR CUP. I say its a matter of preference and patience in quality.
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creepyviking
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Damion5050]
#12272232 - 03/25/10 09:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damion5050 said:
Your heading in the wrong direction here so to speak. If you take 1 BRF cake and fruit it as is, then take 1 BRF cake and crumble it and case with a peat/verm casing layer. The BRF cake will outperform the cased cake. BRF is pound for pound the most nutritious substrate. The most important part of that sentence is POUND FOR POUND. Cakes are small and people think they don't perform well but this is far from the truth. I mean 6 grams dry from 1 cup of BRF..
   
haha where does BRF come into play on the topic? hmmmm BRF is def a plus... have you tried Rye flour?
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creepyviking
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: iluvfungi]
#12272265 - 03/25/10 09:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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iluvfungi said:
They sterilize the mushroom compost after it comes from the fungi farm. Technically the fungi growing materials weren't "exhausted." They cycle the material every 45 days, as to not risk bacterial contamination of their commercial farm.
True, yet everyone seems the ask about mushroom compost in reference to cultivation, and since I havent read if anyone tried it. figured I'd get a crack at it... I should say the end result wasnt surprising. hopes this answers some curiosity people have about it... waste of 3 bucks haha. but oddly enough my fruits are bigger than the control cakes I left on the side...
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creepyviking
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Shea25]
#12272294 - 03/25/10 09:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shea25 said:
Lol I'm glad you bought that up. Here are two cakes 200mls of sub, each yielded about 10 grams dry each first flush
After each cake has flushed Im talking 14+ grams dry per 200 mls of sub
Find any other sub that will do that CUP FOR CUP
You wont, Casing cakes is a waste
son a bitch haha, the golden teachers (2nd batch) cakes are in fact higher yield then the trays. but in retrospect the fruited trays are bigger in density and size. more or less there is a trade off between cased and caked, caked being yield but takes away the volume in which to fruit, cased on the other hand gives more volume to growth meaning bigger fruits. pros and cons.
still doesnt mean everyone should follow what you do, everyone cultivates the way that they see fit. if something works use it, if it works for you dont change it, I'm used to the yields and patterns of bulk casing cultivation rather than cakes, its all personal preference.
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Damion5050
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: creepyviking]
#12272474 - 03/25/10 10:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now lets see what I can come up with !!! Please feel free to skip it if you want to lol. These numbers are based off of my normal yields.
Well if 1 cup of brf weighs roughly 120grams. and I can get on average of 8-12 grams dry.
Lets do math.
453 grams per pound diveded by 120 grams per cake = 3.7 cakes = 1 pound of substrate.
So 3.7 cakes times 8-12 grams dry = 29.6-44.4 grams of dry mushrooms per pound of brf substrate.
Now lets take a brick of coir for example expanded out to roughly 12 pounds of total weight.
9-12 ounces dry or 252-336 grams. So 252-336 grams of product per 12 pounds of substrate. That is 21 to 28 grams per pound of substrate
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 Shea25
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: creepyviking]
#12272511 - 03/25/10 10:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shea25
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Damion5050]
#12272523 - 03/25/10 10:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damion5050 said:
Now lets see what I can come up with !!! Please feel free to skip it if you want to lol. These numbers are based off of my normal yields.
Well if 1 cup of brf weighs roughly 120grams. and I can get on average of 8-12 grams dry.
Lets do math.
453 grams per pound diveded by 120 grams per cake = 3.7 cakes = 1 pound of substrate.
So 3.7 cakes times 8-12 grams dry = 29.6-44.4 grams of dry mushrooms per pound of brf substrate.
Now lets take a brick of coir for example expanded out to roughly 12 pounds of total weight.
9-12 ounces dry or 252-336 grams. So 252-336 grams of product per 12 pounds of substrate. That is 21 to 28 grams per pound of substrate
Man if you only get 3.7 grams dry per cake then something is wrong
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Damion5050
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Shea25]
#12272537 - 03/25/10 10:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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No no u misread 3.7 cakes = 1 pound of BRF..
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Damion5050
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Damion5050]
#12272540 - 03/25/10 10:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Read through it slowly to understand it lol
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Shea25
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Damion5050]
#12272544 - 03/25/10 10:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah, sorry lol that's what you get for skimming over text quickly.
I do understand now that I have read it
Edited by Shea25 (03/25/10 10:29 PM)
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Doc_T
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Damion5050]
#12272550 - 03/25/10 10:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seems like this discussion happens about once a week
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You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
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Damion5050
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Shea25]
#12272551 - 03/25/10 10:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shea25 said:
Ah, sorry lol that's what you get for skimming over text quickly
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Damion5050
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Doc_T]
#12272559 - 03/25/10 10:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc_T said:
Seems like this discussion happens about once a week
Hey at least we will all get good at talking about cakes. If u notice we get the same wave of questions all the time by new people every other week or so.. It is what it is.
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Shea25
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Re: Store bought mushroom compost hypothesis and testing, [Re: Damion5050]
#12272566 - 03/25/10 10:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damion5050 said:
Quote:
Doc_T said:
Seems like this discussion happens about once a week
Hey at least we will all get good at talking about cakes. If u notice we get the same wave of questions all the time by new people every other week or so.. It is what it is.
Quite True
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