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 triphop
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 lucid dreaming... 
#12054220 - 02/18/10 03:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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post your effective methods for inducing lucid dreams here...
i've found binaural beats to be helpful...
http://ia311332.us.archive.org/2/items/DeltaBox/oob.mp3
as well as the WILD method explained here:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming/Induction_Techniques#WILD
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 Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: triphop]
#12054541 - 02/18/10 04:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i used to do a lot of recording dreams and dream testing in my waking life, now I just sleep in after the alarm and as I'm falling asleep I keep repeating in my head "I will become lucid in my dream, I will become lucid in my dream, Iwill become lucid in my dream"
This sets my intention and reinforces my subconscious that it is important for me to become lucid in my dream. This has been working pretty well for me recently, having had 3 lucid dreams in the last 10 days or so.
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: triphop]
#12055792 - 02/18/10 08:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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As I've gotten older I find I'm getting better at lucid dreaming. Everytime I finally find I'm in control I always fly, since it was something I have always wanted to do in dreams (but never did until my first lucid dream last year!)
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c0sm0nautt
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The top three things you can do to induce lucid dreams:
1 - Keep a dream journal
2 - Intent throughout the day/when you go to bed/thinking and reading about dreams and OBEs
3 - Keep a dream journal
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Try silene capensis, it's super cheap.
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Action Jackson
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Dream journals!! I used to have one of those on the internet lol. I should make a new one 
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: triphop]
#12058411 - 02/19/10 06:53 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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you basically want your conscious mind to wake up while your dreaming.
so.. you need something nagging you from the waking world , so to speak.
i think its good to drink lots of water f.e.
it will make you get conscious because you have to piss.
or..
if u refrain from any kind of sexual activity , im sure the hardon will do it too.
just dont go straight to fucking the first female you see 
when i try to project during the day time , ill lay on my stomach and tuck my hands under my chest.
this will wake me up into sleep paralysis.
stay calm..
let the vibration get stronger and stronger.
and..
all the advice the previous people gave you already.
i've heard that nicotine patches work amazingly well, although i would never recommend that.
im just trying to give you an idea of how it usually happens , and maybe give you some food for thought on how you can achieve this without straining your mind or body.
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Jockin John C
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: jivJaN]
#12058447 - 02/19/10 07:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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so i just had a lucid dream,
haha catch is it started as a false awakening, and in my dream i started pissing in a bottle for some reason. I suddenly realized this couldnt be real and instantly knew i was dreaming and need to wake up
i woke up with some piss on my pants, fuck
haha oh well
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Tony
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: jivJaN]
#12058660 - 02/19/10 09:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jivJaN said:
just dont go straight to fucking the first female you see
 That's the reason I lost interest in lucid dreamind. I never could think of anything else to do.
A typical LD: "Can I have a meaningful experience? ... A visit to an interesting location? Some powerful manifestation from the subconscious? No? Nothing? Ok, gimme some p* then." 
I had a few interesting experiences though. Ld was definitely worth the time I put into it, maybe should've put even more.
Anyways, the best way to LD for me was just setting the intention before bed. Waking up early in the morning then going back to bed with the intention fresh in mind was often a guaranteed LD. Either WILD or DILD. Morning is just simply the best time. You know that warm dreamy feeling - sleepy but not tired, eyes heavy, mind relaxed but not exhausted etc etc - that's the perfect state to be in just before trying to LD.
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: Tony]
#12058903 - 02/19/10 11:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jivJaN said:
just dont go straight to fucking the first female you see
When I first started having consistent lucid dreams this was basically all I ever did.
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: deCypher]
#12059606 - 02/19/10 01:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea same lol. It's funny, each subsequent lucid dream, in my experience, leads to a more controlled experience.
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: Tony]
#12061188 - 02/19/10 07:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
A typical LD: "Can I have a meaningful experience? ... A visit to an interesting location? Some powerful manifestation from the subconscious? No? Nothing? Ok, gimme some p* then."
who are you asking these questions ?
just go and visit an interesting place ..
you want manifestations ? .. then manifest them
fly man !
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: jivJaN]
#12064006 - 02/20/10 07:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
jivJaN said:
Quote:
A typical LD: "Can I have a meaningful experience? ... A visit to an interesting location? Some powerful manifestation from the subconscious? No? Nothing? Ok, gimme some p* then."
who are you asking these questions ?
just go and visit an interesting place ..
you want manifestations ? .. then manifest them
fly man !
I see the human mind as a collaboration of somewhat separate "personalities", some of them more familiar with our conscious mind, some of them less familiar. I guess that's why I always got a kick out of going through doors or down the stairs and thinking I was descending into my subconscious mind to meet the goblins that reside there  The whole building would shake and twist around its axis and first I would be like "Whoa!"  and then like "Yeah!" 
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: Tony]
#12065165 - 02/20/10 02:37 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have learned many methods for "inducing" lucid dreams, but have taken much of what I know from my practice of Zen. The main thing I have come to realize is that dreams are simply thoughts without physical boundaries. The mind works the same when it is asleep as when it is awake, but without the external stimuli. Thought itself is the only source of input and the details unravel as karmic reactions to the dream material...
IME, the best way to gain lucidity in dreams is to gain lucidity while awake. The one joining factor in both of these states that can easily be worked with is mindfulness.
You can use all kinds of techniques like visualizations or any other of the systems found online or in books. To be honest, I am not too fond of any of these. They place too much emphasis on lucidity being some far-out thing that is a technique to be developed, rather than an innate ability we all have. Though that's not to say they aren't effective; I just like to keep things as simple as possible.
If you cant develop lucidity in your dreams, it is a sign that you are sleepwalking through life. It is the same mind. Rather than spending your time night after night working on "techniques", start meditating during the day. Not a focused meditation, but just sitting for the sake of sitting. Mindfulness as the only goal. Not mindfulness of anything in particular, just mindfulness of whatever arises. For my purpose I prefer zazen over all other forms of meditation simply because that is what I am naturally drawn to. You don't have to practice Zen, but mindfulness is truly important.
Over time, your dreams will start getting clearer all by themselves (not right away, lucid dreaming takes a long time to learn). The more you practice in the waking state, the more you will start remembering dreams. You will see the mention of dream journals, but I don't feel they are necessary. All that is necessary is an awareness of dreams. You don't even have to remember your dreams. Memory and dream recall will improve on its own as practice progresses.
The more you get experienced with meditation, the more naturally you will have lucid dreams. Again, its the same mind just without sensory input. You don't have to develop a different set of techniques simply because you are asleep.
There are some good books that really take a more esoteric approach to dreaming, (The Tibetan Yoga's of Dream and Sleep -- Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, and Dream Yoga and the Practice of Natural Light -- Namkhai Norbu) but again, I like things simple, and these books are full of techniques. Still, they are a lot of fun to work with. Especially the transformation practice. There is also the Art of Dreaming by Carlos Castaneda, but this is more of a story book approach than a real methodology.
Anyway, I hope someone finds this info useful. 
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Edited by Quoiyaien (02/20/10 02:48 PM)
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: Quoiyaien]
#12065279 - 02/20/10 02:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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@Quoiyaien
Ha, this is something i realized some days ago!!!
i have trying many techniques for so long. a few days ago i just meditated "sitting for the sake of sitting" (i was rather lying than sitting). i have been doing this for some days now and my dream recall becomes better and my dreams seem to be more vivid.
i may keep this way going
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: Quoiyaien]
#12065330 - 02/20/10 03:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree that mindfulness during the day will lead to lucid dreams. In fact, the vast majority of my lucid dreams/OBEs have occurred while meditating before bed or falling to sleep in a mindful way - observing the hypnagogic state, etc.
However, I can't stress the importance of a dream journal. When I wake up in the middle of the night, I use a digital voice recorder to quickly record my dreams before going back to bed. If I don't do this, I simply can't remember what the dream was about. This system has given me the dream recall on average of about 4-8 vivid dreams per night. I then transcribe the night's events in a MSWord document. I record all of my lucid dreams, which are usually special and good for going back to read over - and without my journal, I'm afraid most of these would be forgotten, or remembered only in fragments.
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triphop
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: Quoiyaien]
#12065356 - 02/20/10 03:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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very insightful posts. i also have some experience in practicing Zen, mindfulness of course being paramount. it seems though that while dreaming direct experience is a bit more hazy since dreams are somewhat fluid and lack the same static existence that the external maintains as experienced while awake. if say, zazen were to be truly practiced while dreaming it seems that the dream would be of utter nothingness. although, the methods mentioned as described in tibetan dream yoga has been proven to be effective...
and yeah entersandman, shikantaza has in my experience been extremely piercing...
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Re: lucid dreaming... [Re: triphop]
#12065769 - 02/20/10 04:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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triphop said:
very insightful posts. i also have some experience in practicing Zen, mindfulness of course being paramount. it seems though that while dreaming direct experience is a bit more hazy since dreams are somewhat fluid and lack the same static existence that the external maintains as experienced while awake. if say, zazen were to be truly practiced while dreaming it seems that the dream would be of utter nothingness. although, the methods mentioned as described in tibetan dream yoga has been proven to be effective...
In the depths of meditation, one can still think very clearly. Thoughts become intentional, rather that simply ambient and reactive. The same applies in the dream state.
In the context of "formal" practice, it would seem the goal is to be as clear and free from mental imagery as possible, as in zazen. But I consider dreaming part of informal practice, so playing games is no distraction. Its an art, like playing a musical instrument, or practicing brush calligraphy. But this instrument can do absolutely anything, with any sense. Sometimes I simply practice in my dreams. Other times I like to play 
One game I like to play when dreaming is called mind painting. I like throwing "senses" at the dream void, creating a scene. Its like a game of cosmic designer. The limits of the "games" I play seem only to be limited by my imagination.
I also like to play the flavor flute in dreams, which is a shakuhachi that plays tastes instead of notes. The notes are shades of flavor covering the five tastes. I cant really begin to describe it, except as an intentional game of synesthesia. I can play the turkey dinner scale, the pepperoni pizza scale, the sushi scale, etc...
Its so much fun
Then there are the other type of dreams where I am completely lucid and aware of my surroundings, but am not fully in control of them. It is in these types of dreams that I meet people/beings and travel.
Anyways, I could write for hours on my lucid dreaming experiences, but I will spare you. 
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