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 Tri High
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 [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing 
#12049421 - 02/17/10 05:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100217/ap_on_re_us/us_truly_wacky_weed
By SARAH D. WIRE, Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo.
There may be nothing like the real thing, but some industrious marijuana users have seized on an obscure but easily accessible substance that mimics the drug's effects on the brain — creating a popular trade in legal dope that has stymied law enforcement authorities.
The users are buying a product known as K2 — or "Spice," Genie" and "Zohai" — that is commonly sold in head shops as incense. Produced in China and Korea, the mixture of herbs and spices is sprayed with a synthetic compound chemically similar to THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Users roll it up in joints or inhale it from pipes, just like the real thing.
Though banned in most of Europe, K2's key ingredients are not regulated in the United States — a gap that has prompted lawmakers in Missouri and Kansas to consider new legislation.
"This isn't Jerry Garcia's marijuana," said state Rep. Jeff Roorda, a Democrat from the eastern Missouri town of Barnhart. "They've used chemicals to avoid creating something that's already illegal."
Authorities in Johnson County, Kan., discovered ex-convicts on probation smoking K2, and said it is spreading to high school students.
"This has become extremely popular," said Linda Weber, owner of The Vise smoke shop in the St. Louis suburb of St. Peters, who said she only sells to adults.
She said she sells about 60 packages a week, with suppliers calling her weekly to pitch new brands. She said she's keeping an eye on what state lawmakers decide, though, because "I definitely don't want to be selling it if it comes out that it's harmful."
K2 costs between $20 and $50 for three grams — similar to the street price of marijuana — but with the key advantages of being legal and undetectable in drug tests.
The key ingredients are believed to be the unintended result of scientific research on marijuana's effects.
Dr. John Huffman, a Clemson University organic chemistry professor, was researching the effects of cannabinoids on the brain when his work resulted in a 1995 paper that contained the method and ingredients used to make the compound. That recipe found its way to marijuana users, who replicated Huffman's work and began spraying it onto dried flowers, herbs and tobacco.
"People who use it are idiots," said Huffman, referring to K2 smokers.
A proposed bill in Missouri would make possession a felony punishable by up to seven years in prison — identical to punishments given to users of real marijuana. A similar bill in Kansas would make possession a misdemeanor punishable, with up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine, also the same as marijuana convictions.
The products are sold widely, but authorities in other states contacted by The Associated Press, including Pennsylvania, California and Michigan, said they haven't heard of their use as a drug.
Police in Missouri and Kansas said they've become aware of K2 in recent weeks.
In the rural southern Missouri city of West Plains, K2 is sold in a head shop just blocks from the high school. A botched attempt by teens to steal K2 from the shop brought the substance to the attention of police.
"A 10-year-old child could walk into a head shop and buy it," said West Plains Detective Shawn Rhoads. "It's not a tobacco, it's not regulated by anything. It would be like sending my 10-year-old son into Wal-Mart to buy potpourri."
Although it is legal, the military has banned possession of K2. The federal Drug Enforcement Administration has classified it a "drug or chemical of concern."
Conner Moore, 20, who is taking a semester off from Moberly Community College, said he and his friends started smoking K2 after reading online news articles and postings about the substance. He compares the high to smoking medical marijuana. The high, he says, is shorter.
"We just got on forums and looked it up and saw what other people said about it," he said. "Obviously if it comes out being bad, I'll obviously stop using it," Moore said. "There's really no sites out there that says what is in K2."
There is no data on the drug's toxicity or how long it stays in the body. In mice, it can lead to a lower body temperature, partial paralysis and the temporary inability to feel pain, according to the DEA.
One of the few studies of the compound's use was performed by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, a Portugal-based agency of the European Union, in November 2009. The study found the amount of synthetic compound varies widely between brands, and that despite being widely available, it isn't clear how many Europeans use it.
Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said K2 isn't much discussed within marijuana culture. "If government is genuinely concerned about controlling cannabis-related products, there is really only one thing that seems to have an effect: a tax stamp," St. Pierre said.
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NobodyImportant
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: Tri High]
#12049475 - 02/17/10 05:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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She said she's keeping an eye on what state lawmakers decide, though, because "I definitely don't want to be selling it if it comes out that it's harmful."
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shivas.wisdom
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: NobodyImportant]
#12049582 - 02/17/10 06:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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"This isn't Jerry Garcia's marijuana," said state Rep. Jeff Roorda, a Democrat from the eastern Missouri town of Barnhart. "They've used chemicals to avoid creating something that's already illegal."
I love this reasoning.. 'This isn't like normal pot, this stuff is actually harmful!' so then fucking legalize marijuana!
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"People who use it are idiots," said Huffman, referring to K2 smokers.
Talk about misrepresentation. He is not for illegalization of synthetic cannabinoids, and recognizes the possibility of medicinal uses.
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"I think anybody that smokes it is stupid," Huffman says. "I have nothing against recreational drugs, but if you don't know the long-term consequences or toxicity, you're an idiot to take it." Many scientific journals have published the results of marijuana studies, he notes. But of K2, he says, "I've never seen anything in any peer-reviewed journal."
Huffman says preventing people from using K2 recreationally is a good idea, but banning synthetic cannabinoids isn't.
Marijuana is a controlled substance, he points out. "If you forget California and just go according to federal law, it's a crime to produce, sell or use [marijuana]. On the other hand, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which funds our work, can supply researchers with marijuana cigarettes. And they do. So you probably want to make it a controlled substance, but simply criminalizing it is not a good idea."
A professor of organic chemistry, Huffman says he does not have the background to judge how well the JWH compounds would work for medicinal purposes. He has provided JWH compounds to a scientist from the University of Kentucky, who is working on a patch that would apply doses for patients with nausea who are unable to swallow pills or don't have access to medicinal marijuana. "It works, as far as I know, but maybe not as well as a couple of other things she [the Kentucky researcher] has looked at."
And Huffman knows firsthand about claims that K2 can help with pain management. "My ex-wife has multiple sclerosis. There's been a great deal of research in Europe and Canada on cannabinoids to treat MS, and apparently it's effective in not curing the disease but relieving some of the symptoms," he says.
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#12050037 - 02/17/10 06:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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"A 10-year-old child could walk into a head shop and buy it," said West Plains Detective Shawn Rhoads. "It's not a tobacco, it's not regulated by anything. It would be like sending my 10-year-old son into Wal-Mart to buy potpourri.
gimme a fuckin break you gotta be 18 to get into headshops and even if you ordered it off the internet you need a credit card and i dont know many 10 year olds with one of them  fucking dumbass jackasses
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#12050148 - 02/17/10 07:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said:
I love this reasoning.. 'This isn't like normal pot, this stuff is actually harmful!' so then fucking legalize marijuana!
 No one would be smoking JWH if marijuana were legal and there were no drug-tests. If you don't want people smoking JWH then fucking legalize marijuana.
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: Newfound_wonder]
#12050305 - 02/17/10 07:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, imitation pot is more harmful than pot and pot is harmless. Damn you negative image! Die already.
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orison319
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#12050416 - 02/17/10 07:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck that fake ass weed anyways!!!!!! .... ... .
 
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 Shad0w
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
#12050423 - 02/17/10 07:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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"This isn't Jerry Garcia's marijuana," said state Rep. Jeff Roorda, a Democrat from the eastern Missouri town of Barnhart. "They've used chemicals to avoid creating something that's already illegal."
"So Jerry Garcias marijuana is "safer", Rep. Roorda?"
G-d used chemicals to create EVERYTHING, and none of it was illegal until some jackass writer wrote some cracked out article like this one.
"We just got on forums and looked it up and saw what other people said about it,"
Thanks for being such a deuche, Connor you f-ckin' cop. 
"She said she's keeping an eye on what state lawmakers decide, though, because "I definitely don't want to be selling it if it comes out that it's harmful."
And you shouldnt even be allowed an opinion Linda Weber.
I know you are just trying to earn a living, and dont want to sell real drugs to do it. But, dont be such a pussy. If this sh1t turns out to cause cancer...... you been selling it to Detective Shawns 10 yr old son, IF "shawn" is even his real name.
Your hands are already stained with the blood of children wether or not our "lawmakers" deem this subtstance "safe" or "unsafe"., You have already given dangerous drugs to children.
So...... when you say "harmful", dont you actually mean "illegal to sell for profits"?
Edited by Shad0w (02/17/10 07:56 PM)
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: Tri High]
#12050646 - 02/17/10 08:40 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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a synthetic compound chemically similar to THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.
THC does not have an indole backbone. that's like saying tramadol is chemically similar to codeine.
the only similarity is the receptors they act on
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r3nzhe
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: PoopSoap]
#12051333 - 02/17/10 10:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly thats all that needs to be said
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Codes
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: PoopSoap]
#12051564 - 02/17/10 11:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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PoopSoap said:
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"A 10-year-old child could walk into a head shop and buy it," said West Plains Detective Shawn Rhoads. "It's not a tobacco, it's not regulated by anything. It would be like sending my 10-year-old son into Wal-Mart to buy potpourri.
gimme a fuckin break you gotta be 18 to get into headshops and even if you ordered it off the internet you need a credit card and i dont know many 10 year olds with one of them fucking dumbass jackasses
Yea , I remember way back when I was 17, I was carded for buying a fucking poster in a headshop.
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Re: [MO] Cops: Imitation Pot as Bad as Real Thing [Re: Codes]
#12052324 - 02/18/10 06:09 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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He has provided JWH compounds to a scientist from the University of Kentucky, who is working on a patch that would apply doses for patients with nausea who are unable to swallow pills or don't have access to medicinal marijuana.
I want a JWH 018 patch. That would rock.
Sorry... it was the only interesting thing I saw in this thread.
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