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 crackawebsta
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 I can't respect people who join the military  3
#12001276 - 02/10/10 09:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know it's honorable. I know it's practical, especially if you want to have your education paid for and whatnot, I know it take a lot of balls to make it through bootcamp, I realize that someone has to do it
but I still can't help but roll my eyes at all the kids I went to high school with joining the army or marines or navy. How can you support this war? How could you support any war? I would never sign up to kill people just to make my life easier.
I think, at least in the cases of the people I know who joined, they don't really know what they are getting themselves into. The government will fuck you over one way or another, whether it's through getting you killed or not giving you the money they promised
I'm sorry if I offended anyone who is in the military or has a close relative in the military, but it just seems to be a really naive course of action
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001290 - 02/10/10 09:31 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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STFU? 
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: shroominboomer91]
#12001298 - 02/10/10 09:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure they care a lot.
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crackawebsta
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: shroominboomer91] 1
#12001310 - 02/10/10 09:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm just trying to raise a discussion about the morality and the pros and cons of joining the military. If you don't have anything intellectual to add then Quote:
shroominboomer91 said:
STFU?
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001335 - 02/10/10 09:38 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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You said it yourself, some people can't pay for school so they join the military.
If you can't pay for school and you want to go to school, the military might be your only option.
iTunes shuffle plays stuff @ the weirdest moments
Straight outta highschool he didn't know what to do
Wanted to go to college but no money was nothin' new
Wanted to get away go see the world and do somethin' new
He got approached in the mall by the army recruit
Told him "If you wanna go to school we got money too,
Sign up at eighteen you be you out when you twenty-two"
He joined the army airborne got his uniform went to bootcamp got some
discipline Iraq is where they shipped him
He's in the mission where bullets flyin' and missin him
Wishin' he was a kid again with his family in Michigan
In the midst of fightin' militiamen, one round took down six of them
He ain't really a killa though, takin' a lotta risks
This is what a poor person do for a scholarship
He turned around and got a face full of hollow-tips
But don't be mad, he died for the flag
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001342 - 02/10/10 09:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont like how they have recruiters come into high school and talk to kids that are 16 years old about joining because most of them are too young to realize what they are getting themselves into and cant make a reasonable decision
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badchad
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001344 - 02/10/10 09:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depending on what you do, it can be an excellent job opportunity with high pay, great promotion potential and tremendous benefits (retirement, health etc.).
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001346 - 02/10/10 09:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'm sure this is a common view point for people of a gentle community such as this one. but did it ever occur to you that for some of these kids, its their only option, in their mind, at having a future? some kids join because they don't have the means to make it through college and recruiters spit alot of stuff at a 17 or 18 year old kid. kids so young that they haven't developed skills to reason or argue points to other people, let alone argue against themselves. And lets say you or your parents do have enough money for schooling; the armed forces may also present itself like an extension of the high school football team. the like mindedness, comradery, and the "great benefits" you receive when you get out. these are a couple vague examples of how someone could sign up.
however, people like you and i who question authority and question the goings on of our government of who these soldiers will be ultimately serving are not smiled upon, so my suggestion to you is to ask kids going into the military or even current servicemen: Why did you sign up? and just LISTEN. don't try to argue with them about why you think they're stupid for doing so. thats just going to be a loosing battle. sometimes you just have to observe and listen.
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: PoopSoap]
#12001347 - 02/10/10 09:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
PoopSoap said:
i dont like how they have recruiters come into high school and talk to kids that are 16 years old about joining because most of them are too young to realize what they are getting themselves into and cant make a reasonable decision
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learningtofly
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: PoopSoap]
#12001351 - 02/10/10 09:41 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
PoopSoap said:
i dont like how they have recruiters come into high school and talk to kids that are 16 years old about joining because most of them are too young to realize what they are getting themselves into and cant make a reasonable decision
Srsly, they tried to talk to me like every fucking day, even calling me at home telling me "Hey bro, What's up? Listen dude, have you ever thought about joining the marines?" They literally talked like that. Apparently they thought that by using the words chill, brah, and bro that I would join the marines.
So obviously I set up a meeting because they offered a free lunch. AND DIDN't SHOW UP MWAHAHHAHAHA
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001354 - 02/10/10 09:42 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has been done countless times.
use the search engine.
read an old thread.
realize that everything has been said already.
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: learningtofly]
#12001360 - 02/10/10 09:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I almost joined the navy when I was 19. Since then I've learned I'm horrible at taking orders and dealing with 'authority' in general. I have a feeling that wouldn't have went so well in the military. Best decision of my life was to keep on walking past the building.
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crackawebsta
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: badchad] 1
#12001363 - 02/10/10 09:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
badchad said:
Depending on what you do, it can be an excellent job opportunity with high pay, great promotion potential and tremendous benefits (retirement, health etc.).
But agreeing to join the army is agreeing with war and war is obviously bad, particularly the war we are in now.
It doesn't matter how much money they offer me, I wouldn't change my mind about that. And I couldn't live with knowing I am not only allowing something which I oppose to happen, but I am contributing to it.
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001364 - 02/10/10 09:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't respect self righteous hippies who don't know dick about what they hate
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001370 - 02/10/10 09:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
crackawebsta said:
Quote:
badchad said:
Depending on what you do, it can be an excellent job opportunity with high pay, great promotion potential and tremendous benefits (retirement, health etc.).
But agreeing to join the army is agreeing with war and war is obviously bad, particularly the war we are in now.
It doesn't matter how much money they offer me, I wouldn't change my mind about that. And I couldn't live with knowing I am not only allowing something which I oppose to happen, but I am contributing to it.
you know what kick ass though? a military man has the swagger to fuck your wife and the balls to beat some sense into you.
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: zSDMF]
#12001375 - 02/10/10 09:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
zSDMF said:
I can't respect self righteous hippies who don't know dick about what they hate
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crackawebsta
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: Tangerines]
#12001376 - 02/10/10 09:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tangerines said:
This thread has been done countless times.
use the search engine.
read an old thread.
realize that everything has been said already.
But I felt like having the discussion again, because i'm bored. And I've gotten a few replies, so I guess other people wanted to have it to. And people will continue to have this discussion for as long as there is a military and war and people to oppose it
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001386 - 02/10/10 09:47 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
crackawebsta said:
But agreeing to join the army is agreeing with war and war is obviously bad, particularly the war we are in now.
Not all divisions of the military are focused on killing and war.
Money, isn't everything although having a secure future offers piece of mind for you and your family (if you have one).
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Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.
...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: learningtofly]
#12001388 - 02/10/10 09:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a friend who just joined who is one of the smartest, kindest, most capable people I know. He dropped out of W&M cuz he didn't like the scene and he wanted to continue a family tradition so he is a marine now. This kid is doing linguistics and intel as he should be. He also is permaculture design certified and has deep knowledge about military history. This kid is a bodhisattva and I deeply respect him. Granted, I'm sure he's the exception not the rule. But if you met him you could not but respect him cuz he's sharp-as-a-tack, radiates a compassionate heart, and is a tough kid of course. These are the kind of people the military needs.
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Re: I can't respect people who join the military [Re: crackawebsta]
#12001391 - 02/10/10 09:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who gives a fuck if you're bored? read a book.
And joining the military doesn't automatically mean you agree with war.
Do you think that all prostitutes just absolutely love what they do?
Fuck, for that matter do you think everyone who has a job loves their job? Does the guy at McDonalds love what he does?
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