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Invisiblezorbman
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Re: Peak Oil [Re: roboto212]
    #11999110 - 02/09/10 09:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Peak oil is a very real thing scientists have been trying to resolve since the 70's.




Unfortunately, the federal government is the only entity capable of adequately funding such an effort due to the scope and scale of the problem. And even if our leaders were aware,  there just isn't the political will to do so right now. Heck, Obama was elected with a sizable majority in Congress and he has barely gotten anything done to advance his own initial agenda. (Not that that is a bad thing).

It will (as it usually does) take a major crisis to galvanize the public. And that's assuming people actually recognize the real source of the problem since, as you pointed out,  petroleum is intricately interwoven into practically every aspect of our lives in ways we don't often think about.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: zorbman]
    #12000351 - 02/10/10 05:19 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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There are 4 essentials you need to be fully alive:

Food
Water
Air
Community




Don't forget that if things break down completely you'll also eventually renewable (plant) sources of medicine as well.

That's one thing I've been focusing on lately and something most people overlook.




I belive alot of people over look this issue, but not I.
Eating only living foods, gno cooked items, everything that has enzymes essentially, allows your body to heal rapidly. Whether this is the natural calcification when you break a bone, or an internal disease, I believe the body is able to heal itself, rather than throwing synthetic medicines at it that simply cover up the symptoms, rather than curing the cause. Alot of modern medicine STILL does not know the casuse of various illness, including diabetes and cancer, but if you go 100% raw before the cancer metastasizes, or before diabetes becomes severe, you can cure it with raw foods, instead of just pushing insulin, or getting a toxic substance injected into you (chemo)


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: zorbman]
    #12000356 - 02/10/10 05:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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zorbman said:
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Peak oil is a very real thing scientists have been trying to resolve since the 70's.




It will (as it usually does) take a major crisis to galvanize the public. And that's assuming people actually recognize the real source of the problem since, as you pointed out,  petroleum is intricately interwoven into practically every aspect of our lives in ways we don't often think about.





This is exactly it. I just recently discovered peak oil, but now it is of great interest to me and my particular lifestyle path I am going down, being permaculture.

I even didnt know the vast intricate network of products that are extracted from oil, itsn ot just Gas prices people :smile:.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: roboto212]
    #12000360 - 02/10/10 05:23 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Im going to bring my camera with me today, just to take pictures of everything that I see in public, that was extracted, produced, or brought to us by oil.

I think it will be an interesting project, and I will post various pictures when I get back today. I just find it intersting that we DONT think about the many products we use that are oil derived. There is no natural resource on Earth as vast or as useful as oil, that can replace crude oil. Its not even about finding an alternative, but finding a cost effective alternative as our economy is already pretty unstable.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: roboto212]
    #12000528 - 02/10/10 06:24 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

We have enough natural gas in the continental united states to last us 300 years. and im a petroleum engineer.

not to mention iraq's billions of barrels of oil, plus brazils billions plus the 15 billion barrels we found in the gulf of mexico recently....or the billions we have in alaska just waiting to be drilled

so are we running out of oil? no. peak oil does exist just not in the way you think.

we can talk about recent 4D seismic and drilling beneath the salt canopy or anything else I love talking about this kind of stuff


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: vikingpower]
    #12000560 - 02/10/10 06:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I bet you are one of the folks who hopes global warming happens(yet denies it's existence) so they can drill in the now iced covered deposits of the Arctic too. :rolleyes:


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: vikingpower]
    #12000583 - 02/10/10 06:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The more oil we use, the more expensive reserves we are able to mine.  There's a TON of oil still out there (on top of all the things you mentioned viking, also Alberta), and every day it becomes economical mine more expensive oil.  Sure, the cost of oil will go up somewhat over the next many years, but there's a ton out there. I'm not too worried... yet.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #12000599 - 02/10/10 06:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I do!! I hate this planet, and I don't think we've raped it enough. I won't be satisfied until every tree is cut down, every drop of oil is pumped, and every ay-rab is headless.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: dr_gonz]
    #12000731 - 02/10/10 07:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone is so simple minded when they look at the oil issue, its as if we have been brainwashed to be blind to the other aspects of oil.


Please reread the thread, read the many sources that are provided in the link in the OP. Even if that site is not credible, it provides 100's of credible sources, including CIA declassifieds on Peak Oil from the 70's.

You can remain blissfully ignorant if you like, or you can uncover the truth.


Gonz has a point though. SO, there is more oil out there, but oil companies are spending less to find those reserves as they are small, and wont benefit us but for a few months.

I ask everyone that is looking at it from a gasoline perspective, to stop immediately. FOrget gas even exists, and look at everything that oil helps produce. Solar power cannot produce plastic, without oil. Solar Power cannot produce microchips even.


Its not that the world is going to end, that is silly. Its that our world is going to change so DRASTICALLY, and people are clinging onto this idea that their lives will remain unchanged. We love security in life. This is why we go to school, to get a job, to pay for a house, food water, electricity, and every other creature comfort. We love security, and we are clinging onto that idea of security, and it is blinding us.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: roboto212]
    #12000738 - 02/10/10 07:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

roboto212 said:
Quote:

zorbman said:
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There are 4 essentials you need to be fully alive:

Food
Water
Air
Community




Don't forget that if things break down completely you'll also eventually renewable (plant) sources of medicine as well.

That's one thing I've been focusing on lately and something most people overlook.




I belive alot of people over look this issue, but not I.
Eating only living foods, gno cooked items, everything that has enzymes essentially, allows your body to heal rapidly. Whether this is the natural calcification when you break a bone, or an internal disease, I believe the body is able to heal itself, rather than throwing synthetic medicines at it that simply cover up the symptoms, rather than curing the cause. Alot of modern medicine STILL does not know the casuse of various illness, including diabetes and cancer, but if you go 100% raw before the cancer metastasizes, or before diabetes becomes severe, you can cure it with raw foods, instead of just pushing insulin, or getting a toxic substance injected into you (chemo)




hell yes my friend. probiotic foods are KEY.

Food is medicine.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: dr_gonz]
    #12000764 - 02/10/10 07:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hey gonz, one interesting point Ruppert brought up in the Collpase video is he was giving recommnedations on how people can prepare themselves when the changes start occuring. One of the recommendations was buying a stock pile of organic seeds, intead of frankenfood seeds from Monsanto. I absolutely hate Monsanto and the whole idea of it plays along with our society. You can only use Genetically Modified Food seed (GMO) one year, before they are obselete.


One thing my family has recently done is purchased many many heirloom and heritage variety of organic vegetable seeds. I for one enjoy the fact that cannabis is still completely organic across the world, as this is the single most powerful plant to thrive on.

The point in purchasing not just organic seeds, but heirloom seeds, is heirloom seeds are passed down through generations of families, becoming more and more perfect, less prone to pests, disease, etc. This is how corn became the plant it is today. Back in the day, Native Americans took this small plant, nearly useless, and bred it to their liking. It increased the yield, the flavor, color, vigor, and resistance. You cannot expect to inbreed a species for very long before some problem pops up genetically.


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: roboto212]
    #12000774 - 02/10/10 07:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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roboto212 said:
Hey gonz, one interesting point Ruppert brought up in the Collpase video is he was giving recommnedations on how people can prepare themselves when the changes start occuring. One of the recommendations was buying a stock pile of organic seeds, intead of frankenfood seeds from Monsanto. I absolutely hate Monsanto and the whole idea of it plays along with our society. You can only use Genetically Modified Food seed (GMO) one year, before they are obselete.


One thing my family has recently done is purchased many many heirloom and heritage variety of organic vegetable seeds. I for one enjoy the fact that cannabis is still completely organic across the world, as this is the single most powerful plant to thrive on.

The point in purchasing not just organic seeds, but heirloom seeds, is heirloom seeds are passed down through generations of families, becoming more and more perfect, less prone to pets, disease, etc. This is how corn became the plant it is today. Back in the day, Native Americans took this small plants, nearly useless, and bred it to their liking. It increased the yield, the flavor, color, vigor, and resistance. You cannot expect to inbreed a species for very long before some problem pops up genetically.




Oh absolutely. His dig on Monsanto was absolutely necessary!! FUCK MONSANTO.

I have some seeds put away, and I plan to get more. Where do you get your seeds?


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: dr_gonz]
    #12000784 - 02/10/10 07:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Nice link OP - thanks for posting


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Re: Peak Oil [Re: dr_gonz]
    #12000793 - 02/10/10 07:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Well we purchased them from a variety of sources, but I will have to go back and look as I do not remember off the top of my head right now.

I will post later with some nice certified sources.

I plan to also purchase various landrace cannabis genetics, as I believe these are the healthiest cannabis plants for the mind, body and spirit. I absolutely love landrace sativas, and everything about them.

IDK if you have seen my raw cannabis thread under Physical and Mental Well Being, but you may find it interesting on your path to living self sustainably.

If I had to take a handful of seeds of any plant on Earth to a deserted island (assume this island does not already have food), I would take a handful of cannabis seeds :smile:


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