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 Doctor_Dick
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 using psychedelics to treat ocd 
#11987116 - 02/08/10 10:11 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have just come to the realization that I have a ocd. The reason why it took so long to figure it out is because I did not know what I had could be considered ocd. Its not that I do a task such as washing my hands obsessively, it is that I get a negative thought in my mind and obsess over it until It distracts from my every day life and runs me down till I am always angry.
I have read that psychedelics have very good effects on people with ocd, and when I think back its grue that while I trip and the day after my symptoms disappear almost completely.
Now I understand that a lot of people wouldn't be able to handle a every other day dose of psychedelics, but I have proven to myself that I can handle them on a regular basis. I am not looking to get a super spiritual, insane visual trip, I am just looking to stop my mental ocd.
What do you think of this idea?
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11987145 - 02/08/10 10:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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what sounds suitable to treat it is to take low doses(spaced or continuously), enough for a mind high but not enough to not comprehend your environment
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11987169 - 02/08/10 10:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Make sure you are prepared mentally and physically for the experience. During the days leading up to your trip work on observing when you start to become ocd and try to stay away from this path of thought or action. The trip itself can lead to reaization and stopping your ocd cyle, BUT it may also have the exact oppisite effect if you are not careful enough. Again your setting and how you prepare mentally for your trip will greatly affect its outcome.
As far as dosing every other day, this will most likey not be succesfull as you will lose the magic and soon enough you will find yourself doing the same old thing.
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11987204 - 02/08/10 10:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have been diagnosed with OCD and I found that a strong mushroom trip once or twice a month over a period of several months was enough to almost completely eradicate the disturbing symptoms.
I have taken mushrooms more frequently then that (once every few days) and didn't notice much benefit, and actually more of a detriment, as I started to feel very "diluted."
But having a strong mushroom trip (to the point of ego dissolution) once or twice a month for several months is what seemed to work best for my own body and mind.
Just sharing what worked for me.
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: MOTH]
#11987502 - 02/08/10 11:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing that moth...
Thanks for sharing year experiences moth
For doctor dick, he does not really feel any changes in himself for long periods like this. I only see changes the day I'm on it and the day after. Who knows why this is. Maybe this is the reason I frequent psychedelics more than the average user...If psychedelics are at my disposal I partake of the lords body atleast once a week.
I think binges may be appropriate, fallowed by a weekly hiatus. My brain chemistry seems to respond well to this regimen.
I still feel psychedelic magic if I trip several times a week...I just need to dose rather high to feel effects..
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11987939 - 02/08/10 12:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like you have Pure O, since there are no compulsions, only obsessions. Still under OCD though.
When I was struggling hard with OCD I remember a good mushroom trip left me OC-thought free for a good week or two. It was a nice feeling because I was completely wrecked by the disorder. But it came back eventually.
The only thing that worked long term was mental(& physical in my case)-behavior modification. redirection of your thoughts when obsessions arise onto something that is productive. it takes time but is effective. ill explain it via pm if you want.
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: mick]
#11988585 - 02/08/10 02:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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sure that would be nice
i would like to hear anything that could possibly help me
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11988907 - 02/08/10 02:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i really dont see how it would be any different to treat myself with psychedelics than with the usual drug used to treat ocd with such as a ssri
i have tried ssri and yes they did help treat my obsessive thoughts, it also made me feel emotionally fake...really hurt my sex drive and hurt the ability to get hard
with psychedelics, i actually feel more emotionally alive and real. i have no issues with sex either...it is much better than an ssri for me
of course it isnt a long term solution, no medication is a long term solution...but we have to do what we have to do to get by...
i hope some day to find a therapeutic solution to my problem, but sometimes it isn't all that easy
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11990219 - 02/08/10 05:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Doctor_Dick said:
sure that would be nice
i would like to hear anything that could possibly help me
Quote:
Doctor_Dick said:
sure that would be nice
i would like to hear anything that could possibly help me
So I have OCD too. Nothing really ever cures it. I think I just learned to deal with it. Doc. How does your OCD manifest in your daily life?
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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: ZippoZ]
#11990296 - 02/08/10 05:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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dwelling on past issues...same subject repeated in my mind over and over till it is all i can think about for hours at a time...and i get in a very bad mood and i just dont wanna talk to anyone or do anything in that mood...it is not fun for anyone...dont wanna get too specific
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11990318 - 02/08/10 05:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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it is normal for people to have negative thoughts of course, but there is a point when it becomes a illness
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11990384 - 02/08/10 05:59 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a problem, and to be honest it sounds like your OCD thinking is leading to a thought loop thatbuilds up a lot of anxiety, he'll it sounds like it might epiphiny at a full blown anxiety attack!
These cycles are hard to break and even harder to realize when you are in the middle of one. Like a car sitting at the top of a hill and when it starts rolling downhill it'll only stop when it crashes and causes a wreck. I've said this slot tonight, but I'll say it again. I've been there . I've lost a lot of good people in my life because of these very wrecks...
So what do you do? Hell you have to methaphorically throw the e-brake or at worse bail outta the car before it crashes.
Personally I try to avoid the things in my life that trigger these events, and I also keep a bottle of anti anxiety meds with me at all times. I rarely use them, but just having it around, knowing I have the power to force my mood to change is more powerful than the meds themselves.
Hope this helps bro
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"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: ZippoZ]
#11990898 - 02/08/10 07:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey man, thanks alot. you described it perfect and i really like the analogy. it is very much as you said...
the problem is i have no way to stop it and unfortunately a wreck it what usually happens...resulting in big fights with people who i love most and are closest to me out of anyone...it causes alot of damage...
i really like the idea of bringing along anti-anxiety meds wherever you are...and am considering bringing a hit or two of lucy around with my everywhere i go, in case i see my thoughts shifting to that dark place...i like that how you said since you carry around the power of knowing you can change your mood, that it helps you alot just knowing it...i am hoping the same will go for me
 
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: ZippoZ]
#11992177 - 02/08/10 09:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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ZippoZ said:
Personally I try to avoid the things in my life that trigger these events, and I also keep a bottle of anti anxiety meds with me at all times. I rarely use them, but just having it around, knowing I have the power to force my mood to change is more powerful than the meds themselves.
I can attest to this being a great idea for anxiety, though I do not have OCD. I have a prescription to benzodiazpines for this purpose (take as needed). The comfort of accessibility to a drug that can stop an anxiety attack dead in its tracks can improve your thought processes.
Obviously it is necessary that you do not allow yourself to become dependent on the meds though.
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OCD Intervention Method [Re: Society]
#11996310 - 02/09/10 02:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do not personally like the idea of bringing meds around with you. Even if you use them rarely it becomes the crutch that you always lean on when you feel like the problem is beyond your control. I will tell you right now that it is NEVER beyond your control, this is only your perception.
I had OCD in such a bad way you would cringe back in the day. Nearly every moment of my life was consumed by the disorder. Id be lucky to have only 20 panic attacks a day.
I recommend that both of you pick up a book called the Mind and the Brain, by Schwartz and Begley, and read it, taking some notes. The concept of OCD is expained very well in that book, and even though it is a hypothesis, I believe it is much better supported than any other theories out there regarding the disorder today. Pick up the book and then try and get this understanding in your head. You do NOT have to live with, or deal with OCD. It is your brain and capable of changing its patterns of thought as a result of your Willful effort to change it.
The panic attacks you feel are simply behaviors of neural activity that are facilitated by irrational thoughts you have. If something doesnt go the 'right' way, that part of your brain gets activated and you feel anxiety. The key to overcoming these behaviors is to understand the triggering thoughts/emotions you have so you can redirect them before they become an object of your obsession.
I like to call it thought flagging. You identify which thoughts are responsible for the panic attacks. When it happens you write this down in a journal, as well as what you felt when this occured. Also write about why you think the thought is Irrational, and not grounded in reality. When you become very good at recognizing the thoughts, or just the feeling of an oncoming anxiety attack, you develop a method for redirecting your thought.
Redirection must be a quick process, so that you are not left dwelling on a thought that makes no fucking sense anyways. Why waste time on something that is completely useless and counter productive. you must force yourself to change thoughts. Good ways to do this are to shift your focus onto something completely different that you have preplanned; a physical activity, a mental exercise, a hobby you enjoy, like playing guitar, etc... do not try and rationalize with the thought, because it is the catalyst for neural behaviors that cause anxiety. Rationalize later, for the time being, just REDIRECT. After you have successfully redirected, which you may not always be successful, you can try and write about how you dealt with the passing thought, whether or not you facilitated it, or were able to discard it and refocus. You can go into how the feeling is irrational in the real world, further convincing yourself that these thoughts are not worth evaluating when they come.
This is a slow process of behavioral reconditioning. But, it is more effective than any medication or psychedelic experience. It took me a good year of hard effort before I was able to truly let go of these thoughts, and understand that they were completely useless mental patterns. Its almost like they are one of those crazy thoughts that slip through the filter your brain should have, and are able to trigger anxiety that is usually reserved for very desperate situations of human survival. Its a misfiring of neurons, but it can be overcome. You just have to choose what thoughts are the right ones to stimulate those anxious neurons; I reserve them now for situations where I am faced with the physical possibility of certain death. 
Hopefully this was helpful, let me know if you have any questions, ill try and answer as best I can.
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Re: OCD Intervention Method [Re: mick]
#11996786 - 02/09/10 03:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey man! that's great! thanks for that post...i will definitely give this a try
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My pleasure, you can do it, fellow shroomerite!!
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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "
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I have severe ocd to the point that it makes relating to other people for extended periods of time very difficult. I can fight it for a few hours with heavy meditation and seretonin producing supplements but after a while it just becomes too much.
One thing I HAVE noticed though is its possible to substitute. The OCD will always be there but what I "crack out on" so to say can be whatever I make it, I just have to do it over and over until it becomes ritual. Then the positive ritual overtakes the negative ritual.
I tried using mushrooms for it weekly for a good part of a year, but after a few months of abstinence my OCD was just as bad if not WORSE than it had been in the past.
I actually had the obsessive first and as I got older the compulsions started to develop.
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Edited by MisterMuscaria (02/09/10 10:40 PM)
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Its your brain, Muscaria. Not only can you choose what to 'crack out on', you can choose not to crack out at all.
Its a behavior you train. And its a mentality that you have to understand if down the road you would like to live a life without anxiety. It is worth the effort to try and overcome it, trust me.
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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "
ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."
Edited by mick (02/10/10 12:34 PM)
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Re: using psychedelics to treat ocd [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#12003986 - 02/10/10 04:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Doctor_Dick said:
dwelling on past issues...same subject repeated in my mind over and over till it is all i can think about for hours at a time...and i get in a very bad mood and i just dont wanna talk to anyone or do anything in that mood...it is not fun for anyone...dont wanna get too specific
realization is a good step you're on the right path now toward overcoming negative thought loops and patterns.
i used to be like this too. You can do it!
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