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Joshua_harrison
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WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

#11922183 - 01/29/10 03:00 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, I am new to cacti growing .. but not very new. I have read around Allot! And have performed several successful graft etc.

I have a few questions though!

What happens to a Really old peyote? I have seen Very old peyote on the web and on here - great big spirally fluffy things!
But I have Never seen them grow past a certain size.
Is this because they eventually Die of old age?? :O And does grafting speed up this process (shorten their lifespan)?

Also a more practical question:
I know that stopping a columnar cacti from having winter dormancy causes ugly
elongated growth. But does this matter if they have a Peyote grafted ontop? Will elongation be visible on a peyote?

Also here are a few pics of my few grafts:

Got allot of plans for future grafts!

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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: Joshua_harrison]
#11922203 - 01/29/10 03:09 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

great grafts man, sorry cant help with questions as I'm no cactus expert.
where's the Dr when you need him?

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Mr B.caapi
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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: projectzero]
#11922441 - 01/29/10 05:12 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

a really old one can be 70 plus years old ...

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mellowyellow
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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: Mr B.caapi]
#11922496 - 01/29/10 05:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

for a plant to be soo prehistoric i dont think they die of old age. There are still trees on the planet that date back to about 15000 years old in the mountains of italy. so as for plants dieing of old age it might be highly unlikely.

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mellowyellow
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[Re: Mr B.caapi]
#11922497 - 01/29/10 05:42 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

for a plant to be soo prehistoric i dont think they die of old age. There are still trees on the planet that date back to about 15000 years old in the mountains of italy. so as for plants dieing of old age it might be highly unlikely.

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koraks

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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: mellowyellow]
#11922653 - 01/29/10 07:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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mellowyellow said:
There are still trees on the planet that date back to about 15000 years old in the mountains of italy.

No, there aren't. Not alive, in any case.

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KBG1977

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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: koraks]
#11922660 - 01/29/10 07:34 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

well those huge red wood trees in California were around when Jesus walked the earth and that's a fact :grin:

:grin:

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Mostly_Harmless
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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: KBG1977]
#11922688 - 01/29/10 07:47 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's a fact Jesus walked the earth? :wink:

:wink:

The oldest Italian tree looks to be approx 3000 years old.

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koraks

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[Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#11922728 - 01/29/10 07:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Mostly_Harmless said:
It's a fact Jesus walked the earth?

He did walk the water though.

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KBG1977

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[Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#11922736 - 01/29/10 08:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well,I was watching a national geographic show on the great redwoods of California,and they said that the oldest trees were around during the time when Jesus walked the earth,and It's a fact Jesus walked the earth :mrt:

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Mostly_Harmless
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[Re: KBG1977]
#11922750 - 01/29/10 08:05 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think some of the redwoods date back up to 5000 years, but I think we shall have to agree to disagree on if Jesus was around for real!

He is not the messiah, he is a very naughty sun god! :eek:

:eek:

:peace:

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Cactusdan
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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#11923196 - 01/29/10 09:53 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Lets not get into religious discussion mates.

Keep it to Spirituality & Mysticism :wink:

:wink:

On that note, also check out some of the Dracaena draco in the Canary Islands.

Ancient and very impressive as well.

Answers to your questions:

1. Peyote does only tend to grow to a certain size in the wild before it starts sending out offsets in order to keep growing and keep expanding.

I have, however, never seen an analysis or samples taken on their age.

2. Lophophora, although a bit less susceptible, can etiolate too.

Grafting shouldn't eliminate that, might mask it though.

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[Re: Cactusdan]
#11923258 - 01/29/10 10:11 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

there are for sure trees on this planet that date back to 15000 years ago that are still alive to this day. Its in the evergreen family.glaciers were only found in certain areas so other places in the world were never tilled by glacial mass

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[Re: mellowyellow]
#11923703 - 01/29/10 11:41 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Got any further info or links on the 15000 year old trees? The oldest I've found so far is 8500 years old on the Sweden/Norway border.

http://climateaudit.org/2008/04/17/8500-year-old-tree-found-in-sweden/

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PoC
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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#11924059 - 01/29/10 12:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-living_organisms

Here's another relevant link.

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#11924114 - 01/29/10 12:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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What happens to a Really old peyote?

they become old and larger, often with more offsets.

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But I have Never seen them grow past a certain size.

they tend to offset when they get larger, 20cm is absolutely a monster and i doubt if many people even see 15cm in their life. those are single stems measurements, groups can easily become larger.

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Is this because they eventually Die of old age??

nope, see above.

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And does grafting speed up this process

yes

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(shorten their lifespan)?

i dont think anyone really knows this answer, but it doesnt seem to.

Quote:

I know that stopping a columnar cacti from having winter dormancy causes ugly
elongated growth.

nope. lack of light causes this.

Quote:

But does this matter if they have a Peyote grafted ontop? Will elongation be visible on a peyote?

peyote dont often etiolate, because they are such slower growers they would need a long period of shitty light, which can happen...and has many times. grafting speeds up growth, which means it will also elongate in a shorter period of time than an ungrafted plant....so yes, but just give them light and your cool.

great looking plants by the way, looks like your doing a nice job!

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[Re: kadakuda]
#11930192 - 01/30/10 02:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

when they get old they look like grandfathers. heres an older one that was given to me.

they just get big, wrinkly, with a few patches of hair. just like an old man.

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Joshua_harrison
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[Re: ShroomDoom]
#11966915 - 02/05/10 06:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

SHIT I completely missed all of those replies till now!
Sorry guys!

Thanks for the straight answers kadakuda!

Its really amazing to think that all of my peyotes will outlive me. (unless I eat them when I'm an old git). :P

I've know that there are some RIDICULOUSLY old trees out there
As always wiki has a few answers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_tree

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pando_(Quaking_Aspen)

Thanks for all of the replies ... even if most of them were about jesus.

:tongue:

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#11968406 - 02/05/10 11:38 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

wiki answers is a crock of shit anyone can alter those answers. Oh but thats right ive been told my opinion doesnt matter by other forum useres cause there all mighty knowing

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ADDlCTlON229
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Re: WHAT HAPPENS TO A PEYOTE WHEN (Pics Added)

[Re: Joshua_harrison]
#11970091 - 02/05/10 03:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Joshua_harrison said:

have you ever let that plant live outside in the sun and heat? looks kinda indoorish. Cactus dont generally die from old age, they grow massive . I live in the desert and I cant wait till summer so I can put my peyote out side where they will stay till I die.

=D

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