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#11892326 - 01/24/10 06:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is a block of Elm oysters that I picked last night. The substrate is primarily chopped straw, with a small portion of aspen shavings (pet bedding) and a bit of wheat bran. The bag was inoculated with just over a half quart rye spawn.
 
 
This is the first time I have grown them. They are a very pretty mushroom, but I wasn't to impressed when I ate them. Not much flavor to speak of, and the stems (which was most of the mushroom in this flush) was tough and chewy.
I also had some blue oysters in there. They came out with thick stems too, and taste about the same and have the same texture as the elm oysters. Right now I have a block of king oysters in there... I figure since I am so good at growing fat stems on my oysters the kings should have SUPER FAT stems!
Here's a pic of the king block pinning:
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: didjin_d]
#11892370 - 01/24/10 06:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You want to cut the stems off. They're tough and hard to eat. If you'll drop the temperature by about ten degrees, your caps will be nice and meaty. They're the part you want to eat.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11892477 - 01/24/10 06:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya, i cut the stems off for the second meal, but there goes half of the mushroom straight into the compost bin  .
As far as the cooler temperature, do you think the eryngii will be negatively effected by the current temperature? I don't really feel like dropping the temp in my bedroom down to 52 degrees... but I might be able to find a cooler spot in my house for the FC.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: didjin_d]
#11893735 - 01/24/10 09:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Elm oysters are very aggressive and fruit well, but their taste and texture is quite unappealing to me. My least favorite mushroom of any I have grown.
I've had kings do well in temps from 55 to 75 degrees. And the stems of kings are as good as the caps.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: frankenstoen]
#11894461 - 01/24/10 10:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Elm oysters are very aggressive and fruit well, but their taste and texture is quite unappealing to me.
Agreed. They taste pretty nasty compared to P ostreatus. It's better if you let them soak in some olive oil with your seasonings for half an hour before you fry them. It also helps to use bacon grease to cook them, but there goes the heart. 
One benefit of H ulmarius is for use in the garden, especially if you mulch with several inches of straw. They'll break it down to make the organic material available to the plant roots.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11894601 - 01/24/10 11:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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One benefit of H ulmarius is for use in the garden, especially if you mulch with several inches of straw. They'll break it down to make the organic material available to the plant roots.
I buried all of my spent sawdust blocks of H. ulmarius in the garden and near the mulch pile. If I notice any benefits to the garden come next spring and summer, I might then go ahead and make up some more straw logs of H. ulmarius especially for the garden. I certainly won't be growing them to eat.
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It also helps to use bacon grease to cook them, but there goes the heart.
Almost everything is better with bacon grease! (But heart disease runs in my family, so I avoid almost all red meat.)
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11897267 - 01/25/10 12:10 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed. They taste pretty nasty compared to P ostreatus.
RR
Odd, Stamets mentions they are far superior to oysters, that's one of the reasons I have a load of grain colonizing with H. ulmarius.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulmarius) [Re: obi]
#11897524 - 01/25/10 01:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me there is no difference in taste plus my elm oyster stems are softer. Might depend on strain and substrate.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: obi]
#11897790 - 01/25/10 01:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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obi said:
Odd, Stamets mentions they are far superior to oysters,
I have several strains of H ulmarius, and his is the worst tasting of the bunch. They're in no way superior in taste to P ostreatus, although they are larger and meatier, resulting in more profits, provided you can get people to buy them more than once. 
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11899205 - 01/25/10 05:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I found the taste and texture of H. ulmarius to be highly inconsistent from one mushroom to the next. Some of them were almost edible, but others (grown off of the same block in the exact same fruiting conditions) were downright nasty.
I think selling elm oysters at stores or farmers markets could be quite harmful to future business- the average person will not be able to visually tell the difference between an "elm oyster" and a "pearl oyster" grown in warm conditions (which turns them white.)
So grow 'em and eat 'em if you are curious but please don't sell them and turn off potential future customers.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: frankenstoen]
#11900959 - 01/25/10 09:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow. I guess I should have called this thread "The Elm oyster SMACK DOWN!!!!" 
Well, at least they're pretty...
Cheers,
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: didjin_d]
#11903792 - 01/26/10 08:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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didjin_d said:
Wow. I guess I should have called this thread "The Elm oyster SMACK DOWN!!!!"
As long as we're smacking them down, be careful of the spores too. I can tolerate P ostreatus spores, but H ulmarius has nearly sent me to the hospital more than once. I'll get a fever of over 102F, cough, wheeze, lungs full of fluid to the point I was gasping for air, using my cutting torch oxygen just to remain conscious, and a migraine from hell. Last time they got me, I went through two bottles of 222(aspirin-codeine) trying to tolerate the headache.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: didjin_d]
#11903926 - 01/26/10 09:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what would you say your ratio was for your blocks? I'm most interested in the King block, as I am about to make a bunch of spawn, but it sounded like you used the same concoction for all of them.
I've heard the spore horror stories from a few people now, regarding other oyster species, which is why I'm waiting till my mushroom structure is complete outside to start growing other oyster species. I think I'd feel bad if I killed my girlfriend for mushrooms (she has verrry sensitive allergies). But then again, it could spell more for me! jk jk jk.
I am really excited for my kings though. I think I'm only going to be able to get one or grows in, until it get too hot here to cultivate outside.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: MrPinkFloyd]
#11907278 - 01/26/10 08:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mr Pink,
My ratios were the same for the elm blocks and the king block. I really can't provide more info than I included in the 1st post. Nothing was measured.
The Kings are coming along well, but they grow significantly slower than the other oyster varieties. I'll post some pics of the kings when they are done.
Cheers,
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: didjin_d]
#11910679 - 01/27/10 12:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR said:
As long as we're smacking them down, be careful of the spores too. I can tolerate P ostreatus spores, but H ulmarius has nearly sent me to the hospital more than once. I'll get a fever of over 102F, cough, wheeze, lungs full of fluid to the point I was gasping for air, using my cutting torch oxygen just to remain conscious, and a migraine from hell. Last time they got me, I went through two bottles of 222(aspirin-codeine) trying to tolerate the headache.
RR
Some people are able to form scientific hypothesis - ALL people are able to relate their suspicions, which they often think sound too subjective, may be way off or that they are the only one; I am used to benefitting from both.
Could you elaborate some, vague-personal-suspicion or not on why you think this oyster (i.e. the spores) may be more "offensive" to the body? You know I'm looking at this with more than interest right now...
I suggest that the very thing that makes you sick from the spores may mean stronger benefits in what I am doing - i.e. really sets off that defender response as well as the wound benefit...
C what I mean by that??
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#17501709 - 01/05/13 02:36 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Im growing pleurotus oysters right now. here is a picture from today, this is the first flush of a bucket that started fruiting about 5 days ago. Im wondering why the mushrooms are turing out so small. It seems like there is an aweome pin set, but most of them abort and instead of getting a hearty set of mushrooms, i get like 7-10 wimpy ones. Since the pins look good, but the fruits look bad, i suspect enviromental conditions to be the problem. Also, i read that the best time to harvest is when the caps start to turn up, as you can see in this picture, some of the mushrooms appear to be finishing before others. Do you think it is best to harvest them as they finesh or all at once?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91931516@N08/8349909253/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91931516@N08/8350971708/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91931516@N08/8350972558/in/photostream
and heres a pic of the pins
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91931516@N08/8347144304/in/photostream
a picture from yesterday
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91931516@N08/8346090615/in/photostream
Also, you said lowering the temp by 10 degrees would produce bigger caps. Its 57 degrees in my grow room, is that to low already?
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I was under the impression that true elm oyster did not have decurrent gills. This keeps coming up over and over. I think most folks would not consider what you show as hypsizygus ulmarius
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: Amanita virosa]
#17504323 - 01/05/13 11:40 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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i cultivated elm oysters when still back in Belgium i never used them to fry or cook. I milled them in the blender to make mushroom sauce fermented for about 2 weeks and at that time with the spices taste was not bad
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: Amanita virosa]
#17505862 - 01/06/13 10:09 AM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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I was under the impression that true elm oyster did not have decurrent gills. This keeps coming up over and over. I think most folks would not consider what you show as hypsizygus ulmarius
See
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17345879#17345879
what he said. hypsizygus ulmarius won't have decurrent gills if the info in that thread is true.
The "elm Oyster" floating around shroomery has excellent flavor, almost identical to your average oyster strain. We grew quite a few buckets this past summer and had a large garden bed going.
As far as temp goes, I know 57f is getting pretty low. I have had pinsets form at lower but they are VERY slow to grow. BUt honestly I would look more at humidity and FAE than anything. From your pictures it looks like some of the pins are drying out and that's why you are getting different sizes in the same pinset. That was a pretty big problem for us fruiting them outdoors this summer, it was hard to keep all the individual pins from drying out and they would form the Frankenstein clusters like you are getting. and on the note of FAE your caps are looking very elongated which IMO is do to higher CO2.
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Re: Elm oyster pics (Hypsizugus ulminarius) [Re: bitepourrie]
#17506817 - 01/06/13 02:23 PM (4 months, 13 days ago) |
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i cultivated elm oysters when still back in Belgium i never used them to fry or cook. I milled them in the blender to make mushroom sauce fermented for about 2 weeks and at that time with the spices taste was not bad
Fermented for 2 weeks? Why would you want to do that? What is the name of that brew or did you just invent that? 
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