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 walkingeyeball
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 Just a thought: Jesus and Karma 
#11617202 - 12/09/09 12:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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From what I know of karma, it is the concept that all actions, past and present, have a reaction and so forth. I don't know if I believe in the idea that there is such thing as "good" and "bad" karma, but I couldn't see how the common definition would work without such opposites. Maybe someone could elaborate on that?
But anyhoo, if karma does exist and if Jesus had existed and had been truly crucified, what would he have done to deserve such punishment? I've read certain opinions that state that all who are murdered, raped, etc. deserve what has happened as they have committed such a crime in a past life. I could see from the point-of-view that Jesus was (or IS, if you believe in reincarnation) just another human being of faults learning from each cycle of life to eventually transcend...
My boyfriend brought this up and it made me think.
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Diaboleros
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I really doubt karma can chase you from a past life since if I can't remember my past life and I don't really believe in past lives anyway.. if we are all one, most likely my past lives were the lives of every single human being, thats how I acquired my instincts.. how else? Jezus and other people who believe in karma did so because they believed in shared consciousness.. when you do something bad towards a person, you influence the whole of the shared consciousness and make the chances of someone else doing that same bad thing towards another person higher. Monkey see, monkey do, but in this case, the monkeys see subconsciously. I believe instincts to be the memories of our ancestors. Thats where karma comes into play.
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 deCypher
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walkingeyeball said:
From what I know of karma, it is the concept that all actions, past and present, have a reaction and so forth.
I'll agree with this.
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walkingeyeball said:
I've read certain opinions that state that all who are murdered, raped, etc. deserve what has happened as they have committed such a crime in a past life.
This is a total misinterpretation of Karma IMO, and is a byproduct of the natural human desire that life be 'fair'.
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Mycomyth
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walkingeyeball said:
But anyhoo, if karma does exist and if Jesus had existed and had been truly crucified, what would he have done to deserve such punishment?
According to the story, he did not deserve to be crucified.
He, in essence, volunteered.
The act was not initiated by karma. It was pure self-sacrifice, with the intention of helping all of humanity.
That's just my take on the stoy, tho. You should read it too.
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The Chronic
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Jesus' crucifixion was to cleanse us of our sins (thats what it says in the bible)
So in a way the crucifixion was not Jesus' bad karma being paid, it was ours...
The immaculate conception etc...means that Jesus was a one time life, he had no previous incarnations, he was a direct incarnation of the absolute, thats how the story goes anyway...
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walkingeyeball
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Re: Just a thought: Jesus and Karma [Re: The Chronic]
#11618305 - 12/09/09 03:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycomyth said:
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walkingeyeball said:
But anyhoo, if karma does exist and if Jesus had existed and had been truly crucified, what would he have done to deserve such punishment?
According to the story, he did not deserve to be crucified.
He, in essence, volunteered.
The act was not initiated by karma. It was pure self-sacrifice, with the intention of helping all of humanity.
That's just my take on the stoy, tho. You should read it too.
M
Nice, thanks. I like your perspective
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Chronic777 said:
Jesus' crucifixion was to cleanse us of our sins (thats what it says in the bible)
So in a way the crucifixion was not Jesus' bad karma being paid, it was ours...
The immaculate conception etc...means that Jesus was a one time life, he had no previous incarnations, he was a direct incarnation of the absolute, thats how the story goes anyway...
Aha.....yes, I see. Thank you for clarifying that 
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oojijimoo
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In The Autobiography of a Yogi, Jesus is described as having already transcended the cycle of death and rebirth. He came to earth already enlightened for a specific purpose. And getting crucified was all just part of the drama.
Idk what really happened though.
I wasn't there.
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Life Upon Death
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Re: Just a thought: Jesus and Karma [Re: Diaboleros]
#11622502 - 12/10/09 09:31 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Diaboleros said:
I really doubt karma can chase you from a past life since if I can't remember my past life and I don't really believe in past lives anyway.. if we are all one, most likely my past lives were the lives of every single human being, thats how I acquired my instincts.. how else? Jezus and other people who believe in karma did so because they believed in shared consciousness.. when you do something bad towards a person, you influence the whole of the shared consciousness and make the chances of someone else doing that same bad thing towards another person higher. Monkey see, monkey do, but in this case, the monkeys see subconsciously. I believe instincts to be the memories of our ancestors. Thats where karma comes into play.
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