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 Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: CureCat]
#11539994 - 11/27/09 08:58 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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great...now i have to learn how to pronounce another mushroom name...
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: burtonRebel]
#11540568 - 11/27/09 10:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, I thought I knew a lot about biology, but this is greek to me. I looked up the cladistic jargon terms and I still have no idea what this dispute is about.
Maybe somebody will write a review paper on hallucinogenic mushroom cladistics after this gets sorted out? 
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: CureCat]
#11540822 - 11/28/09 12:21 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can understand the reasons for the proposition being made if it is due to the fact that the controlled substances were named after the genus but I would like to see Weraroa novae-zelandiae retain it's combination because it is such a rare and unique mushroom of such limited distribution, maybe a proposition should be made to conserve this beautiful mushrooms name!
It's also possible that there are other hallucinogenic chemicals contained in this species that have yet to be discovered, as far as I know there has been very little study done!
   
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: CureCat]
#11541194 - 11/28/09 03:54 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
To read Redhead's full written proposal:
http://docserver.ingentaconnect.com/deliver/connect/iapt/00400262/v56n1/s34.pdf?expires=1259380454&id=53627817&titleid=6069&accname=Guest+User&checksum=DAEB082B7AC2DE38069853B6C2B8BB5C
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 Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: HerbBaker]
#11541220 - 11/28/09 04:21 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry about that! I fixed the link.
I have to say, having read over the proposal, I am not impressed. Technical terms and equal parts reference to actual composition, only go so far with me when the real motivation comes down to popularity.
And I am only slightly exaggerating about the references... Which is not a bad thing, I should add!
Here is the good link, click on the PDF button to view the proposition in full:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2007/00000056/00000001/art00034?token=003612e07b5a666f3a7b2f7c3138765547635223762549266d652f
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: CureCat]
#11541233 - 11/28/09 04:30 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
CureCat said:
Sorry about that! I fixed the link.
I have to say, having read over the proposal, I am not impressed. Technical terms and equal parts reference to actual composition, only go so far with me when the real motivation comes down to popularity.
And I am only slightly exaggerating about the references... Which is not a bad thing, I should add!
Here is the good link, click on the PDF button to view the proposition in full:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/iapt/tax/2007/00000056/00000001/art00034?token=003612e07b5a666f3a7b2f7c3138765547635223762549266d652f
so with passage what can be expected change on the ground, for the woods wondering person?
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it wants me to get involved, but i won't. if i get involved why would i come back? I'll just set here and watch. it will be better for now to stay here. but i sure would like to get involved...
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: stinkfoot4]
#11541398 - 11/28/09 06:16 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Psilocybe Genus shrinks to about 132 species, including variants; the non-active species are moved to the Genus Deconica.
All the active Psilocybe, will keep their name.
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: HerbBaker]
#11541418 - 11/28/09 06:26 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
HerbBaker said:
The Psilocybe Genus shrinks to about 132 species, including variants; the non-active species are moved to the Genus Deconica.
All the active Psilocybe, will keep their name.
oh dear. seems not good, setting a stage for even a region like mine, ME/NH; disturbing
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i don't know, but i know i don't know. i'm sure i know this. if you can't grow it don't take it
it wants me to get involved, but i won't. if i get involved why would i come back? I'll just set here and watch. it will be better for now to stay here. but i sure would like to get involved...
osmosis is a dandy learning stratidgy.
some say, some ask, some know
i cant spell dele with it
don't fool with me baby, you wouldn't last five minutes in my head
don't laugh at me, that's my job
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: stinkfoot4]
#11541530 - 11/28/09 07:24 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: CureCat]
#11541550 - 11/28/09 07:32 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Isn't it Psilocin that makes mushrooms blue and not PSILOCYBin?
The chemicals psilocin and psilocybin were named after the genus, the genus was not named after the chemicals.
My understanding is that psilo cybe only means smooth head. So mushroom names can tell more about the observer or observation than the observed. On that note, I think Psilocybes can be afforded special exemptions in nomenclature, and 'Weraroa' would just make more pickers sound unduly intoxicated. Either way, the mushrooms will be the same.
Also, I really appreciate when id'ers put the chain of names in an id, it helps a lot with lookups, and I was wondering if there is a list of type species somewhere?
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: wowitch17]
#11545761 - 11/28/09 08:39 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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wowitch17 said:
I support prop 1757 too
Likewise, I fully support it as well.
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: mycot]
#11545995 - 11/28/09 09:21 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I expect the vast majority of the people on Shroomery to support the proposition.
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: mycot]
#11546002 - 11/28/09 09:23 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any of you that want to support this proposal have missed out, voting ended on the 3rd of July as cactu has pointed out and you would have to be a member of the Nomenclature Committee for Fungi.
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: inski]
#11546114 - 11/28/09 09:49 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
inski said:
Any of you that want to support this proposal have missed out, voting ended on the 3rd of July as cactu has pointed out and you would have to be a member of the Nomenclature Committee for Fungi.
inski.
OK. So what happens now?
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: mycot]
#11546690 - 11/28/09 11:46 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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93% of the people voted in favour of the proposition so the Psychedelia clade will retain the genus Psilocybe, the non active species will be placed in the genus Deconica.
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: inski]
#11546866 - 11/29/09 12:20 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope this will move Dr. Guzman's update of The Genus Psilocybe forward. I can't wait to see it. Have you heard anything about it, inski?
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: World Spirit]
#11547036 - 11/29/09 01:43 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I'm very interested in seeing it, I heard it was supposed to be completed near the end of this year, It may already be completed and will hopefully be published soon, I don't think it will be cheap though!
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: inski]
#11550206 - 11/29/09 03:29 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
inski said:
93% of the people voted in favour of the proposition so the Psychedelia clade will retain the genus Psilocybe, the non active species will be placed in the genus Deconica.
inski.
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jimbotron
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: stinkfoot4]
#11550509 - 11/29/09 04:24 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
stinkfoot4 said:
Quote:
HerbBaker said:
The Psilocybe Genus shrinks to about 132 species, including variants; the non-active species are moved to the Genus Deconica.
All the active Psilocybe, will keep their name.
oh dear. seems not good, setting a stage for even a region like mine, ME/NH; disturbing
Are you thinking that somehow a legislator is gonna jump on this to make psilocybes more illegal than they already are, or what?
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Re: PROP. 1757, to conserve the name Psilocybe [Re: jimbotron]
#11561331 - 12/01/09 09:06 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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So are we going to do the same thing for Boletus?
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The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms said, "...the rule of thumb is to avoid any bolete with orange to red pores, especially any that bruises blue."
Lincoff, (1989). The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Mushrooms (pp. 562). New York: Knopf.
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