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r72rock
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Karma
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Hey everyone.
I've recently had a question on what exactly Karma is. I just wanted to see what everybody else would define it as, or what it is. I hear from people that I've meet that Karma is the only true rule in life. My current understanding of Karma is that it's what we live out. From good things, and bad things. And once we play everything out, and it's all even, we're done here. We're done with reincarnation, and living in this life form. Also, to clarify something, this is my understanding of it. I don't necessarily "see" how it works.
So what are your guy's thoughts?
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baai


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I think it is everything we resist, everything that is not reality. No resistance would be the answer.
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oojijimoo
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I think of Karma as the result of your past actions and thoughts that keeps you trapped in the cycle of birth and death.
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I dislike the karma concept because if you do good based on karma, you're doing good so that good things will happen to you in turn.
Which means that if bad things start happening to you, you'll be doing bad things...
That last part aside, Karma is a way to 'one-up' every one else. Put yourself on a pedestal. And you're on that pedestal because you hope that you'll get nice/good things done for you, having already done your share of good deeds.
Whereas you should be doing good when necessary, decent when necessary, and bad rarely. Checks and balances.
Most bad things one does, likely, isn't considered bad by that person, but is considered bad by another.
Just stay positive, upbeat, and happy. Keep a clean slate and you'll be alright.
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steveareno
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Adyashanti's description makes a lot of sense to me. Here he is defining dharma and karma and the differences between the two.
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burgatory
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I'm strongly in favour of karma. I think of it as energies. If you become negative you start running into negative streams of energy, if you become positive you run into positive streams of energy.
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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.
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r72rock
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Wow, thanks a lot for that video steveareno! ^^ And thanks for everybody else's input. I'ma keep reading up on it, but this has defiantly explained something to me in somewhat of different terms. Thanks again!
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Refraining from all evil, not clinging to birth and death, working in deep compassion for all sentient beings, respecting those over you and pitying those below you, without any detesting or desiring, worrying or lamentation - this is what is called Buddha. Do not search beyond it. - Dōgen
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cyb3rtr0n
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So, according to Adyashanti's explanation; is he saying that karma is the collection of intents leading to each particular action?
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headyfunkup
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karma means CAUSE AND EFFETC, straight up.. dont beleive those kooks who take it way out of control
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cyb3rtr0n
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Quote:
headyfunkup said: karma means CAUSE AND EFFETC, straight up.. dont beleive those kooks who take it way out of control
who's the kook?
even wikipedia differs from your definition.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म Karma.ogg kárma (help·info), kárman- "act, action, performance"[1]; Pali: kamma) in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist philosophies.[2].
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra
According to these religions, one's karmic "account balance" at the time of death is inherited via the state at which a person is reborn.[citation needed] During the course of each worldly life, actions committed (for good or ill) determine the future destiny of each being in the process of becoming (evolution or devolution). In Buddhism, at death the underlying volitional impulses (Saṅkhāras) thus accrued and developed are carried and transmitted in a consciousness structure popularly known as the soul, which, after an intermediate period (in Tibetan called the bardo), forms the basis for a new biological structure that will result in rebirth and a new life. This process is considered to go on until the person achieves moksha.
If one lives in evil ways, one is reborn as an animal or other unfortunate being
According to those definitions. Karma is not straight up cause and effect, because effect is the result of a cause. Karma is an ongoing balance. Cause and effect ends with an action(effect) and is a subset of Karma
Edited by cyb3rtr0n (11/24/09 08:25 PM)
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steveareno
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headyfunkup said: karma means CAUSE AND EFFETC, straight up.. dont beleive those kooks who take it way out of control
yeah what kooks? the definitions that seem to be taking it out of control are the main stream statements such as "oh he must have done some fucked up shit in his past for this to be happening to him now".
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c0sm0nautt


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Karma is not inflicted, bur rater self imposed.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein

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r72rock
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Hey guys, I found a really cool explanation of it by Ram Dass. I think it's explained perfectly. 
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Rebecca: What is karma?
Ram Dass: Karma is another way of saying that everything is related to everything else in the universe in a lawful way - future, past and present. A limited interpretation of karma has to do with looking from the past to the future, but actually it's all inter-related. You just feel the unfolding of the process of interaction leading to a certain moment.
If you chart it you can plot it somewhat and see that this came from there in a series of cause and effect, but actually it's not linear at all. You are already enlightened, so you are actually going from where you started back to where you started. You're nowhere because nothing happened and in that moment you realize it - aaaargh! (laughter)
They say that when a being becomes free, all that is left in form is old karma running off. When you do an act with intention, it's like a pebble dropping in a pond. It creates waves - it's an action. When you become no longer identified with that which has motives, (they are there but you're not identified with them, you're just awareness) then you're not creating new karma. When the old karma runs off - you aren't. That's what a being that finishes is. You run out of karma.
In other words, in the course of things with everything interacting with everything else, you just cease to exist as a separate thing. It's still everything, because you were everything already. Nothing happened to you, if there is a you.(laughter)
Rebecca: The concept of personal karma is becoming more and more popular, but it's often seen as a justification for
non-intervention in the sense of; I have my karma and that homeless person asking me for a quarter has his karma, and who am I to intervene with anybody else's karma?
Ram Dass: His karma is that you have that karma - your karma is not intervening. He stays hungry, so that's his karma. Everybody is everybody else's karma. The fact that you saw the homeless person is part of your karma and it's having an effect on you all the time. You are my karma and I am yours at this moment.
It's so profoundly subtle because who I see you to be is a projection of my karma. The way karma manifests is in desire systems. If I don't have any attachments at all, what I see is something entirely different. To see symmetry, to see familiarity, to see warmth when I look at you, I'm having to do all this stuff with my mind. Who you really are, I have no idea - until I have no karma.
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