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 whatsthestorymg
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 PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? 
#6029321 - 09/04/06 06:28 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do most of you wait for primordia to start forming in the jar, as the professor describes in the PFTek, or do you birth as soon as it's completely covered in mycelium?
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fromthemoon
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: whatsthestorymg]
#6029366 - 09/04/06 06:43 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'll double that question (that I was about also abut to ask  ) and raise you a request for picures of Primordia and Knotting (I have searched the galleries and used the search feature, but detailed PICS of both Primordia or Knotting (in both cakes and casing) have been very hard to find.
My first cake has been sitting for 9 days and all I see is a thick white forming around the vermiculite (from dunking and rolling), but not pins. I though if I could identify Primordia and Knotting, I'd understand and know where Pins are going to form.
Thanks!
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 Premedman1
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: whatsthestorymg]
#6029384 - 09/04/06 06:49 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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With the PF Tek, you want to wait 2-3 days after the jar appears to be completely white before birthing to allow the center of the cake to fully colonize. DO NOT wait for pinning before birthing, as fresh air and light are two of your pinning triggers which are introduced in the fruiting stage. This will help to optimize your pinset, ultimately maximizing yield.
One of the few pictures I have of hyphal knotting on a PF-style cake.
Hyphal Knotting on a Casing
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DnBMiXer
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: Premedman1]
#6029454 - 09/04/06 07:10 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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so you dunk when you birth the cake 2-3 days after complete surface colonization???
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fromthemoon
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: Premedman1]
#6029480 - 09/04/06 07:15 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great! And I bet the pin set was even better.
It does look different from casing and cakes.
So my cake is forming hyphal knots.
When rolled in vermiculte, does that extend the time it takes for knotting and pinning (seems so) - that pic is of a doudle end casing cake and it seems the knotting is forming where it was not rolled. Is that right?
You don't happen to have pics of the pinning or further growth of those two babies do you?
Thanks again.
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Premedman1
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: fromthemoon]
#6029526 - 09/04/06 07:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes DnB. You pull the cake from the jar 2-3 days after full visual colonization and dunk.
Fromthemoon - Almost all of the knots on the cake pic formed primordia, and it was a very nice pinset. Rolling in vermiculite might add a day or two to your timeframe, but it is well worth it in the end. It supplies an extra contam barrier, adds extra hydration (make sure to keep the verm misted to saturation), and optimizes pinset by creating a humid micro-climate to stimulate carpophore procuction. That was a friend's cake, and yes, it was cased double-ended. Rolling is the preferred method. No more pics of that grow, sorry. Next time try crubling and casing. Then grains > bulk. You'll never look back. 
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fromthemoon
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: Premedman1]
#6029607 - 09/04/06 07:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, I'm kind of doing everything at once. I started with 30 1/2 pints (those are the ones just birthing), 3 LCs, Agar w/ 3 strains (on the second transfure), Rye quarts, alien tek 1/2 pints, quarts, and casing mix (I just love extraterrestials and I added a little seaweed extract, organic kelp, and coffe/water). I tried 100% Quinoa grain and that failed though.
I birthed a cake 8 or so days agao (it was ready early) and another at the same time that wasn't ready, I cut the top half off, crumbled in a baggy, and cased in the jar with 1 inch of alien casing mix.
Much to my surprise, the cased jar was ready a week later and well established so I just added that the fruiting. The cake looked like it wasn't doing much, but know I know it's been knotting all along  . My martha is soggy, but wax paper has been helping the little cake and I think I fixed it with a timer (both 24/7 coolmist and ultrasonic @ 30 min on, 2.5 hours off).
I just birthed 6 more jars, 3 are dunking and I cumbled the other 3 and up in a ziplock container (spray painted black) and covered with about 3/4 inch of alien casing mix and threw back into the incubator. I'll try rolling one cake, casing one with sphagnum moss (TEK)(PCed it 60 mins of course), and double end the thrid cake.
Everything has been going pretty good, a few contames (drips of condensation into inoculation holes), LC issues, wet/dry substrate, soggy marth, 70% RH terrarium, etc., but it's all learning (partly why those pics help so much - details and learning and understanding).
So knotting is first, then Primordia , then pin set? Or is Primordia pinning?
Does anyone have pics of Primordia, both cakes and casings (and cakes when in jars too)?
Thanks again!
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Look at the atoms in the air and allow your mind to see the other planes that coexists in the same physical space where you sit. There are vibrational strings in each and every atom containing infinite realities, universes, and dimensions. Multidimensional beings and entities are RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!!! Only gravity and mental energy can pass through these different atomic branes and mushrooms can break the mental/spiritual membranes separating one reality from the other. TAKE A LOOK!
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Premedman1
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: fromthemoon]
#6029628 - 09/04/06 07:53 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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fromthemoon
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: Premedman1]
#6029701 - 09/04/06 08:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those are great threads, haven't seen them. They answered tons of questions. Of course not all , there's a million of them
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Look at the atoms in the air and allow your mind to see the other planes that coexists in the same physical space where you sit. There are vibrational strings in each and every atom containing infinite realities, universes, and dimensions. Multidimensional beings and entities are RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!!! Only gravity and mental energy can pass through these different atomic branes and mushrooms can break the mental/spiritual membranes separating one reality from the other. TAKE A LOOK!
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OutLawLawyer
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 Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: Premedman1]
#7100337 - 06/27/07 06:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you realize that there is a little green alien living in your casing? Look in the top riight of the pic at 2 o'clock midway between center and the edge. I swear I am not tripping or stoned as I write this.
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Re: PFTek, Do you wait for primordia before birthing? [Re: OutLawLawyer]
#11510743 - 11/23/09 11:46 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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i TOTALLY see him too !!!!!
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